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Title: Assisted LH Tre
Post by: BKA on 05 September, 2015, 13:16:50
https://instagram.com/p/7OfM3ViYX0/
Nice move from @CDFraser9 !
Title: Re: Assisted LH Tre
Post by: Kev on 05 September, 2015, 19:43:13
Really love this. Great trick.

:)
Title: Re: Assisted LH Tre
Post by: shalafi on 06 September, 2015, 12:15:39
Wow, impressive
Title: Re: Assisted LH Tre
Post by: the milky oolong on 06 September, 2015, 23:15:32
Beautiful.
Title: Re: Assisted LH Tre
Post by: fredCP on 13 September, 2015, 17:35:32
I love this trick, magnificent ! Btw, what does "tre" refer to in a trick name ?
Title: Re: Assisted LH Tre
Post by: Kev on 13 September, 2015, 18:02:57
I've always understood Tre = a triple axis spin. In that in spins in three directions at once.

Not sure if that's the true origin though!
Title: Re: Assisted LH Tre
Post by: fredCP on 14 September, 2015, 12:48:49
Thanks, Kev  :)
Title: Re: Assisted LH Tre
Post by: the milky oolong on 14 September, 2015, 17:10:00
Quote from: Kev on 13 September, 2015, 18:02:57
I've always understood Tre = a triple axis spin. In that in spins in three directions at once.

Not sure if that's the true origin though!

A tré flip, as far as I understand it from getting nearer to an Inward Lunar Tré, has the object turning one complete rotation on two axes. that being for Lunar Tré an Inward Barrel Roll and an Inward Lunar Somersault happening simultaneously. If you're into skateboarding (which I'm not, but still remember the terminology), the flatness of the board helps illustrate it easier: a 360 pop shuvit executed with a kickflip.

In a Tré Lighthouse, you're imagining that the ken is doing a regular Somersault, but there's a full Tornado happening while it's flipping: to make this easier, if you were looking into the Big Cup when you started the flip, it should have come full circle through the flip when it lands, How this differs essentially from a true Corkscrew Lighthouse Somersault I don't know. The way you know you've not landed a Tré Lunar Flip  is exactly because the Big Cup does not land flush with the tama in the starting position, but with a Tré Lighthouse Flip I guess there's a bit more margin of error :)

EDIT: 'true' not tue' Corkscrew LH. Might've been mistaken for 'tre'!
Title: Re: Assisted LH Tre
Post by: fredCP on 14 September, 2015, 19:13:10
Now I see what we call a tre flip, thanks the milky oolong ! Never tried anyone before, a LH Tre will be one of my next challenges  ;)
Title: Re: Assisted LH Tre
Post by: Kev on 14 September, 2015, 20:37:51
@the milky oolong - A 360 kick flip pop shuvit is what I had in mind. Somehow got that as a 3 axis trickin my mind but I think you're right in that it's actually 2.
Title: Re: Assisted LH Tre
Post by: the milky oolong on 14 September, 2015, 21:41:36
I've been thinking about this since I wrote that comment, and have to change my opinion in terms of correcting you. When you analyze the Tré and say, 'ok, it's two known tricks being performed as one, with the object spinning on two axes', that's sort of because you're looking for what pressure to put onto the object to get it to do those two things. The result however of these two forces does indeed mean that a diagonal axis comes into play, but whether or not you can argue that three axes are at work is too much for my poor brain. When I screw my eyes and get all weird, I have to admit that there are moments in the Tré LH where if the ken were centred in a globe it would be pointing with the spike toward New Zealand while still performing the Tornado bit it started while pointing toward Polaris.
Title: Re: Assisted LH Tre
Post by: Kev on 14 September, 2015, 21:47:25
I think the only rational thing to do in this situation is to agree that it is magic.

Deal?