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Forum categories => Tricks => Topic started by: The Void on 21 August, 2011, 21:29:09

Title: Yoko Haneken
Post by: The Void on 21 August, 2011, 21:29:09
= rotor blade = ufo = sideways jumping stick.

Not diagonal jumping stick. You know who you are. :P
Title: Re: Yoko Haneken
Post by: Thorny on 21 August, 2011, 23:04:14
Thank you, Void - they do know who they are!  :P
Title: Re: Yoko Haneken
Post by: MasterKatra42 on 21 August, 2011, 23:35:42
I was wondering what the real terminology for what I called a "UFO" was.  Is it really Yoko Haneken?  That's good info!

I do try hard to keep it on plane with the ground when I try this trick.  I can see how some people do not keep their yoko haneken up to standard.  While we're at it, have you ever tried a jumping stick with a twist?  I'm not sure if that has a name (it probably does) but it just involves turning your hand like a doorknob while making the motion for a regular haneken.
Title: Re: Yoko Haneken
Post by: The Void on 22 August, 2011, 13:34:10
Hi Joe, yeah, that's it. http://kendama.co.uk/100tricks.html (http://kendama.co.uk/100tricks.html) for a bit more info.

I'm not sure exactly what I made this post for... it's just something I'd noticed in a few videos[nb]No, I can't remember which ones, and without going and watching a squillion videos again, I actually don't know who you are![/nb], that the ufos were noticeably tilted upwards a bit. I guess "don't do that in competition[nb]Or not one that I'm judging, at least![/nb]" is all I'm saying.

I'd never tried the doorknob jumping stick until just now. I thought it would be an ugly trick, but it's actually quite nice. We've established that a trick where the ken is rotating around its long axis[nb](....during a transition?)[/nb] is called a Tornado, so I guess this is a Tornado Jumping Stick. (Although I'd be tempted to think of it as a Corkscrew JS....) Now go and get it on video before someone else does!
Title: Re: Yoko Haneken
Post by: MasterKatra42 on 22 August, 2011, 17:53:54
Too late, Colin Sander strikes once again.  He throws down some tornado candle, tornado jumping stick and tornado lighthouse in Kendama USA edit 8. Kendama Edit #8 - The Kendama USA Pro Models (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3RnWpZSft0#ws)

I've heard people call tornado lunar a barrel roll.  Is that just personal terminology, or does that have anything to do with an actual named trick?
Title: Re: Yoko Haneken
Post by: BKA on 22 August, 2011, 19:35:09
I would guess it's a term adopted from skating.
Title: Re: Yoko Haneken
Post by: AlexSmith on 22 August, 2011, 21:01:23
Quote from: MasterKatra42 on 22 August, 2011, 17:53:54

I've heard people call tornado lunar a barrel roll.  Is that just personal terminology, or does that have anything to do with an actual named trick?

I've heard this too. The people I play with often call it a lunar kickflip too, seems like every group has slight variations with trick names.

Wanna get real tricky? Try a lunar 3 flip (name basically adapted from skateboarding). Lunar flip plus tornado.
Title: Re: Yoko Haneken
Post by: Cand1ez on 28 September, 2011, 14:52:09
not that i can do it... but i see inverted lunar to lunar as a hardflip...  its just how i think of it.

half a kickflip and half a shove it.

my skate terminology may be off here tho...

as fround upon as it may be.  skating has some really good analogies for KD tricks
Title: Re: Yoko Haneken
Post by: Harrydh3 on 29 September, 2011, 12:33:35
i call it lunar barrel roll, Never heard 'tornado lunar' before this thread lol
Title: Re: Yoko Haneken
Post by: BKA on 29 September, 2011, 13:25:38
Quote from: Harrydh3 on 29 September, 2011, 12:33:35Never heard 'tornado lunar' before this thread lol
...and yet you replied just 3 posts after this one: http://www.kendama.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,12.msg110.html#msg110 (http://www.kendama.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,12.msg110.html#msg110) :)
Title: Re: Yoko Haneken
Post by: MasterKatra42 on 01 December, 2012, 03:29:23
I was just practicing the Yoko Haneken tonight and some things were made clear.  Sometimes as I'm coming up with my knees to release, I push forward and the stick doesn't come out of the hole.  If I put a slight wrist flick with it, the ken exits cleanly.  This is really accentuated in doing an outward yoko haneken.  If you're having similar trouble, I would suggest adding a little wrist flick in the direction you want the ken to go.

What's the terminology for going the reverse direction?  Outward instead of inward.
Title: Re: Yoko Haneken
Post by: The Void on 01 December, 2012, 10:42:33
I suppose it would be Ura Yoko Haneken, or Reverse UFO. (Ura=Reverse)
Title: Re: Yoko Haneken
Post by: the milky oolong on 02 December, 2012, 22:30:32
On a similar note, is there a term for a Jumping Stick where the motion is left-right instead of up-down? Maybe this isn't clear enough - I mean, when the ken leaves the tama and 'cartwheels' before being caught again? Maybe it's just the same, but I tend to see people doing Jumping Stick with the plane of motion being vertical/longitudinal, if that's not stretching the description too far. I often practise this 'Cartwheel Jumping Stick' and find it has a nice aesthetic about it (excuse the kendama neologism of Cartwheel JS).

Any comments?
Title: Re: Yoko Haneken
Post by: bonzatron on 03 December, 2012, 01:07:27
ive been calling that trick rainbow but i dont know the real terminology so dont quote me on that
Title: Re: Yoko Haneken
Post by: The Void on 03 December, 2012, 11:12:03
If you mean the spin is in the line-of-the shoulders plane (to your side) instead of the through-the-spine-and-the-nose plane (in front of you), then it's still just a Jumping Stick. If you mean something else... Then sorry, but I don't understand. Video?
Title: Re: Yoko Haneken
Post by: the milky oolong on 03 December, 2012, 12:34:21
Thanks Void, no, I mean shoulder-to-shoulder direction Jumping Stick, or, as you pointed out, Jumping Stick Regardless. Have been practising my UFOs today after a wave of panic thinking I too might be a perpetrator of the 'wonky UFO'; found out that remaining totally aware of the wrist and locking out any upwards-downwards movement has actually improved my consistency in landing it (which is still far from high-frequency).
Title: Re: Yoko Haneken
Post by: The Void on 03 December, 2012, 13:11:26
Good point about the up-and-down movement of the hand. The hand's up-and-down movement should only be controlled by the knees, and NOT by the arm. Try this experiment: Do a UFO, but beforehand, place your free hand against your chest, level with the start position of the other hand/kendama. Now, hopefully you'll see that while doing the UFO, the ken and your active hand remain at the same (mid-chest) height as your inactive hand.

I used to regularly miss the UFO by scooping my hand inwards at a slightly different height to the ken until I started to concentrate on this knee-control of the height.[nb]Does this make it sound like I'm now completely solid with a UFO? Ummm... yeah... I am.. Honest. No really, would I lie to you? Well, maybe only a bit...[/nb]
Title: Re: Yoko Haneken
Post by: the milky oolong on 03 December, 2012, 14:16:30
Thanks to Void for my first UFOs that don't so much 'click' as 'crack' like a bullwhip.