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Title: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: KendaMushroom on 27 December, 2011, 13:57:36
CONSISTENCY COMP #8!

Okay guys, this time...there is no kidding around...this is the best exercise for any Kendama player.
and as simple as it sounds...it really isn't THAT simple...but it's very fairly possible.

the ladder is : JKA official - Advanced Tricks in order!

1. Ken Ishu/ Around prefecture
2. Ken-saki-suberi/ Slip on Stick
3. Chikyu-Mawashi/ Earth Turn
4. Saka-otoshi/ Falling
5. Ura-FuriKen/ Reverse Swing in
6. Uchu-ishu/ Around Cosmos
7. Uguisu/ Bird (hold 3 sec)
8. Tsurushi-Tome-Ken/ Hanging Pull up in
9. Hane-Ken/ Jumping Stick
10. Ikai-ten-Hikoki One Turn Air Plane
11. Ikai-ten-Todai/ One Turn Lighthouse
12. Suberi-Dome-Gokui/ Slip Stop Special
13. Uguisu-no-Taniwatari/ Bird fly over the Valley
14. Todai-Tonbo-Gaeri/ Lighthouse Turn (3sec)
15. Tsurushi-Ikai-ten-Hikouki/Hanging One Turn Air Plane
16. Nikai-ten-Todai/Two Turn Lighthouse (3sec)

BONUS : I ALLOW ONE MISS.

If someone finishes with 1 miss...the person who will do it with NONE will top him.

I Have TWO prizes:
1. RARE : BEESWAX OZORA BRAND NEW! with OFFICIAL JKA SEAL
2. SHIN FUJI RED ROKUROSEN! with OFFICIAL JKA SEAL


GAMBARE! GOODLUCK!

The NPO website seems to be down! but the list is legit!

Have fun, and BEND YOUR KNEES!

Nicolas
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: The Void on 27 December, 2011, 14:13:04
I should have recovered from the tweaked back and all the over-eating by then.  :) Bring it on!
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: KendAlex on 27 December, 2011, 14:36:25
as long as there are no tricks like BAT, ill be down haha
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: Mark on 27 December, 2011, 20:47:20
I look forward to it! :-D
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: Mirek on 28 December, 2011, 10:41:18
can't wait
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: KendaMushroom on 28 December, 2011, 20:26:09
Quote from: KendAlex on 27 December, 2011, 14:36:25
as long as there are no tricks like BAT, ill be down haha

I did 4 month therapy to get that trick OUT of my vocabulary!
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: The Void on 02 January, 2012, 13:50:06
Quote from: KendaMushroom on 27 December, 2011, 13:57:36I will announce the trick list on : JANUARY 4TH 2012.
Any idea what time of day, or do we just have to keep on our toes?  :)
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: KendaMushroom on 03 January, 2012, 11:04:44
Quote from: The Void on 02 January, 2012, 13:50:06
Quote from: KendaMushroom on 27 December, 2011, 13:57:36I will announce the trick list on : JANUARY 4TH 2012.
Any idea what time of day, or do we just have to keep on our toes?  :)

Good point! let's say 3PM Swiss Time...so 2PM UK time :) I'll edit the first post for this
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: KendaMushroom on 04 January, 2012, 14:01:04
LETS GO...BACK UP THE PAGE!
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: Mirek on 04 January, 2012, 14:02:25
I know that ladder from somewhere. 8)  Nice one. I hate 16. Nikai-ten-Todai/Two Turn Lighthouse (3sec).
You are right, this is the best exercise for any Kendama player.
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: BKA on 04 January, 2012, 14:05:44
Oh boy, that's a toughie! Good luck everyone!
(The list, with gif animations, is on http://kendama.co.uk/tricks.html (http://kendama.co.uk/tricks.html) , for anyone unfamiliar with any of the tricks)
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: The Void on 04 January, 2012, 14:25:50
Quote from: KendaMushroom on 27 December, 2011, 13:57:36The NPO website seems to be down! but the list is legit!
If you mean kendamakyokai.com , that's the old JKA site. The new one is at kendama.or.jp
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: The Void on 04 January, 2012, 14:37:39
Well, in a short session so far, I've got to #9.
I think this test is harder than the (compulsory tricks of the) 6th Dan exam. At least you only need 1 in 10 of #16 for that!

Have you done it, Mr Mushroom?
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: The Void on 04 January, 2012, 15:21:58
Okay then, let's set the bar (low)...

I just completed the list with....



(big gap)






(yep, still the same gap)





















(not far now)


















(still with me? good!)






64 misses! An absolute shocker on Lighthouse Somersault and 2-Turn Lighthouse. Can I do better? Yes, definitely. Can I get anywhere near 1 miss? Not in the near future, I don't think.
And yes, I've got it on video, but none of you really want to waste 17.5 minutes of your life watching that.  :)
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: KendaEuji on 04 January, 2012, 15:31:32
So far, I've done the complete list with 15 misses.
But the #12 (slip stop special) is just IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME. I can't succeed it !!

Good luck for everyone.
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: KendAlex on 04 January, 2012, 16:21:17
After a monster trip home, toilet visit and hugging the dogs, i tried the ladder and the first time i went though the ladder in 9 minutes.
i don't know if i have some time left tonight.
but it is a hard one, i have to practice the last 2 tricks big time.
i missed 16 times on several tricks.

Good luck everyone.
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: Thorny on 04 January, 2012, 17:17:07
Glad to say I managed the ladder with just one miss!  ;D

I'm just putting the file onto my computer now and will be uploading it to YouTube imminently!  :)
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: KendAlex on 04 January, 2012, 17:30:49
good Job Thorny
now there is only one chance to win, just do it without misstake?

Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: KendaMushroom on 04 January, 2012, 17:56:09
glad you like my ladder...I seriously didn't think it would be done THAT fast! well done thorny...why not do it with no miss :) to assure a top place!

i'm uploading my version...no miss...of course it doesn't count...unless you want to give me a present for it...(i'll take a white performer) ahahhaa

nic
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: Thorny on 04 January, 2012, 18:08:49
Well, it did cause me a lot of stress!

Although, I had nothing else to do so I really wanted to complete it, especially after Nic beating me to the mark when it was Alex's ladder! haha

I'll leave it at no miss, and I didn't realise until I watched the video but my stalls aren't quite 3 seconds... there are more like 2 - 2.5 seconds, does this mean I fail?  :-\ I'm thinking it does haha
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: The Void on 04 January, 2012, 18:18:32
Counting to 3 fail! :-) Still impressive though.

I just got it down to 33 misses while the potatoes are boiling. 19 of those on the last trick. I guess I need to practice my kensistencytm!
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: Thorny on 04 January, 2012, 18:24:10
Quote from: The Void on 04 January, 2012, 18:18:32
Counting to 3 fail! :-)

Tell me about it! :P

Uploading now, regardless :)
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: KendaMushroom on 04 January, 2012, 18:28:36
I'm sure you'll narrow it down to 10-15 within a few more hours...

I've been doing them for a while as my practice routine or warm up...and still when trying to film...it was around the last few tricks that i started screwing up...ayayay!

thorn...i think i need to see the video and be the judge of that... :) technically i can count it if it's obvious the .5 or 1 sec left will hold...but if someone does it the same way but has the 3 secs when it's asked...then he'll get the advantage.

and like i said in the first post (that i just noticed i erased...) i'm not judging on first come first serve...it's the 3 first videos that'll be counted. ( i need to find a third price haha)

okay!
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: Thorny on 04 January, 2012, 18:39:50
I hate my life, I've just realised I missed out the Lighthouse Somersault... >:( ahaha
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: KendaMushroom on 04 January, 2012, 18:44:40
hahaha oops! and don't forget that Around Cosmos is, spike-small-big-center cup...and not spike-big-small-center cup like most of the americans are doing it... :)
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: KendaEuji on 04 January, 2012, 19:32:35
Quote from: KendaMushroom on 04 January, 2012, 17:56:09
i'm uploading my version...no miss...of course it doesn't count...unless you want to give me a present for it...(i'll take a white performer) ahahhaa

Where is your version ?
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: Mirek on 04 January, 2012, 20:22:35
Thorny you made my day  ;)
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: KendaMushroom on 04 January, 2012, 20:37:45
Quote from: KendaEuji on 04 January, 2012, 19:32:35
Quote from: KendaMushroom on 04 January, 2012, 17:56:09
i'm uploading my version...no miss...of course it doesn't count...unless you want to give me a present for it...(i'll take a white performer) ahahhaa

Where is your version ?

i forgot how SLOW youtube is!!

http://youtu.be/GtLMjuhVr-A (http://youtu.be/GtLMjuhVr-A)
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: Thorny on 04 January, 2012, 20:45:28
Quote from: Mirek on 04 January, 2012, 20:22:35
Thorny you made my day  ;)

I'm sorry, Mirek... but I ordered a pizza and while waiting for it to be delivered I had another attempt and managed it all!  ;D ;D

Consistency Competition #8 - Japanese Advanced Ladder (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apkp-XfVi6M#)
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: KendaMushroom on 04 January, 2012, 20:56:07
Quote from: ThornyConsistency Competition #8 - Japanese Advanced Ladder (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apkp-XfVi6M#)

James...you're gonna hate your life some more...but first of...well done! BUUUT...you didn't spike the bird over the valley!!! I can't count it man! :D

(the "american" comment was because i thought Thorny, was bloody Turner Thorne!!) hahahaha
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: Thorny on 04 January, 2012, 21:02:52
gahh no way! ahah oh man, twice I've done it - but wrong! ohh that's a shame, I don't know if i can be bothered to try again tonight, i'll probably give it until tomorrow now.

oh well, cest la vie!
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: gerard on 04 January, 2012, 21:09:55
I'm not even gonna try this cause I know it'll give me a headache. :P Good luck, everyone!
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: KendaMushroom on 04 January, 2012, 21:16:44
Quote from: Thorny on 04 January, 2012, 21:02:52
gahh no way! ahah oh man, twice I've done it - but wrong! ohh that's a shame, I don't know if i can be bothered to try again tonight, i'll probably give it until tomorrow now.

oh well, cest la vie!

i think you're sitting pretty strong...even by tomorrow no body else would've done it yet :)
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: KendAlex on 04 January, 2012, 21:19:52
Quote from: KendaMushroom on 04 January, 2012, 20:37:45
Quote from: KendaEuji on 04 January, 2012, 19:32:35
Quote from: KendaMushroom on 04 January, 2012, 17:56:09
i'm uploading my version...no miss...of course it doesn't count...unless you want to give me a present for it...(i'll take a white performer) ahahhaa

Where is your version ?

i forgot how SLOW youtube is!!

That was great Nic, but i thought you want to do it with your white performer?
haha
but do you receive the Purple Sunrise and the performer already?
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: DrJochum on 04 January, 2012, 22:28:34
very impressive List! and performances!

I have one technical question about slip-on-stick:
When taking the exams in Munich the Japanese were very strict about that.
The Tama should really slip on the stick and then immediately slip from the stick on the tip of the spike (and into the hole).

Is that right?
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: The Void on 04 January, 2012, 23:15:37
I would say that the JKA rule[nb]As I understand it[/nb] (and BKA rule[nb]As I decreee it[/nb]) would be that the ball must be caught cleanly on the side of the spike with the hole flat on the spike[nb]Must not touch fingers, or 'wobble' into position[/nb]. (You can then pause, I believe, if you wish). Then the ball must slide[nb]and not roll[/nb] onto the spike without leaving contact with the spike at any time.

I assume that's how Nic wants it too, but I can't speak for him.
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: KendAlex on 05 January, 2012, 05:03:57
Agree , it must slip and stay in contact with the spike all the way.
on the Around the Cosmos trick, you have to land the tama on the spike but then you must push the ball into the air, instead of making a slip on stick right?
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: Mirek on 05 January, 2012, 08:09:30
Yes you are right as usual.  :)
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: KendaMushroom on 05 January, 2012, 09:01:52
alex : didn't receive anything yet :) but it would be probably easier with a white performer haha

Yes the slip on stick is like the name..it must slip on the stick...no loss of contact. and for Around cosmos...you can land it on the hole if you want but you can balance the ball on the spike with the hole facing up...it's your choice, and must lose contact before spiking.

have you done it yet Alex?
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: s070s on 05 January, 2012, 12:40:05
the prices are SICK dude !!!
WOW !!!
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: The Void on 05 January, 2012, 13:42:19
18.
And I beat the kettle!

Getting there....
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: KendAlex on 05 January, 2012, 15:49:51
Quote from: KendaMushroom on 05 January, 2012, 09:01:52
have you done it yet Alex?

Yes i have done it, only with 7-8 mistakes, getting there too.
new red mugen is doing the job hopefully :)

Re- Edit:
6 mistakes and in 2:40 seconds.
i think i need take more time to focus
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: GbH on 05 January, 2012, 17:15:53
Hmm - I just 'did' the whole list too, but gave up counting the mistakes when I had a 'mare with Slip Stop Special.  Getting through the entire thing clean seems a distant prospect for me....   :(
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: Peter on 05 January, 2012, 23:22:33
Same for me, folks. Have done all the tricks, once in a lifetime, yet, doing all on one day would be a breakthrough for me. Beating the kettle? Maybe, if it boils 20 liters of water based on a candle. Did I say "Candle"? Aaargh!!!

Really, pretty impressive what you people are doing there. And a nice Paulaner Add, too. ;-)

Nevertheless, this competition is very high class, isn't it. And shouldn't be there something similiar for the base players? Some thing like "do the beginners trick ladder"-Challenge? Like the 1-Kyu Grade without mistakes? or even lower skill level? just a thought, maybe someone has an idea of how to set rules and incentives on a Kendama-forum-feature like this...   

What I really wanted to say: I love seeing skillful players breaking the edge. Yet, competitions like this should also include a "beginners section" - where people like me just not only watch, but participate. Just an idea...

Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: The Void on 05 January, 2012, 23:38:48
I agree with Peter. While it's nice to see the top 10% of players kicking kendama arse, it would be good to have a challenge that was more accesible to the mid-range players. I think that's what Donald was thinking when he created the first KCC. I certainly tried to achieve that with the one that I set.
Similarly, when Robin & I were creating the BKA Speed Trick Challenge, we wanted it to have tricks that were not too hard, so that anyone could feel like they could join in.

However, with this KCC, for example, I thought it was really going to be stupidly hard, but after a few attempts, I found that there was the beginnings of the thought that maybe, with a bit of persistence, it might be just about possible. So perhaps these KCCs are helping to push players to improve themselves. It is all about consistency after all.

It is a fine line to walk when setting a list, and I encourage whoever sets the next one to consider this element in their thoughts.
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: GbH on 06 January, 2012, 00:20:12
This KCC is certainly very tough - but I do also believe that it's very much within the spirit of this particular type of competition.  By putting the emphasis on standard competition tricks, it seems reasonable to assume that many players will be familiar with them and able to do them - thus ensuring that the emphasis really is about consistency.  In that respect, I think it's a very good list.

Of course, making easier challenges is still a reasonable option, too.  The only thing with that, though, is whether the winning skill would be more to do with video posting efficiency rather than actual kendama.  I guess the other option would be to introduce a beginner/intermediate/advanced grading system.  However, making that actually work and be fair in practice would probably be too much trouble (maybe someone's got a bright idea about this...?). 



Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: Peter on 06 January, 2012, 00:42:54
Void: That is not the point. Gbh: that is the point.

You set a list, easy to accomplish, and any European 4 to 6-Dan potential will kill it within a quarter of an hour....

Maybe, we should take this vice verse: I was walking with Jochen in Scotland, long time ago. There was a youthhostel at a lake, Loch Ossian, where you have been invited to join the "run around Loch Ossian in under an hour"-club. Well, we didn't make it (because we didn't tried it).

Yet: Why not give Kendama players the forum, to prove, that they are able to join a "European 1-Kyu Club", 1-dan-, 2-dan-,.... what so ever, who have been able to prove by video tape, that they achieved the 1-kyu, 1-dan, 2-dan... what so ever? Just one rule: the moshis at the end... to build up some sort of "been there, done that" for the entry or intermediate level players??? And come on, 2-kyu was not that easy at the beginning, so why don't start there? Some sort of community like the consistency competition "you can do it how many times", yet not only posting the highest achieved record, but all people who have achieved a certain level, e.g. 15 earth turns...?. Unfortunately, I don't have a clue, how to do this in this forum. Maybe, someone else might to pick up this idea?

Without further incentives. Just been there, done that. Being part of the community? Any one interested? At least, I would be... And yes, frankly spoken, I would have an idea, how to do this manually, yet I could not promise to actualise this on a daily base...
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: BKA on 06 January, 2012, 01:30:02
A BKA announcement on this is coming soon.
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: Adam K on 06 January, 2012, 01:45:58
Quote from: BKA on 06 January, 2012, 01:30:02
A BKA announcement on this is coming soon.

Ooh, suspense!
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: KendaMushroom on 06 January, 2012, 07:37:51
I think my ladder is difficult for sure, but technically it's all tricks that should be part of the kendama player book. These days kids can do 3 turn lunar flips back to back (although i've noticed some handy touchy touchy, but i'll let them be...haha) but they can't do Around Cosmos 5 times in a row.

In every sport we have the younglings wanting to get to the highest level, but stepping over the basis. I see it everyday in rollerblading, and i've personally gave up on trying to make them understand that "there is a reason it's called BASIS". anyway.

this ladder, is basically my exercise I've been doing for a while now...each time I'm gonna play kendama...i do the basic list...then the advanced list and try the less miss possible. and to be honest, when I wrote down the 1 miss rule...it was because until now I'd never done it perfect. and also never counted the misses...but I think average stood between 10-20 misses everytime i did it for warm up, and the worst part is that the 2turn lighthouse was not the hardest.

ALL this to say, that by putting this up for the world, it pushed me to actually nail it perfect...and oh yes it was hard, filmed for about 40 minutes and when i stood on 3 misses i almost wanted to give up....my cat pushed me to do it again haha.

even if you are sure you can't do the ladder, you are participating just by reading the ladder...and seeing what tricks are you flaws. you are progressing just by considering trying some of those tricks. So try them, until the 2 last tricks...i think it's the base base base of kendama and if you can achieve those tricks within 20 tries....you are one step closer to the Dan ranking you dream of.

ok i'm done! haha
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: BKA on 06 January, 2012, 13:30:09
Well said, Mushroom!
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: Peter on 06 January, 2012, 20:20:04
Okay, understood. So I will join this Competition, just to encourage other low performance players such as me to train this list.

And, as there are prices for the first three, and obviously no one has finished it so far, it might be that I have a chance... ;-)

So here, my first try of today, yet I promised myself to quit after 100 fails. Thus , I came to trick 14 before I gave it up. Beginning was not that bad, only 32 mistakes incl. trick 12.... Let's see, whether I can do it better tomorrow. :-)

Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: HansNickmans on 06 January, 2012, 21:31:35
When I first saw this list, I knew I didn't stand a chance. But the fact that this list came on had me training my swing-in lighthouse like mad. Now today, I've been doing some tricks for the first time that I deemed undoable only two days ago and my swing-in lighthouse is so much more consistent. So I agree with Nic that this is great to push some people to get better (including himself) and get their basics down. Thanks Nic, it worked for me (even though I'm not even close to finishing the ladder :-))




Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: Thorny on 06 January, 2012, 22:07:16
Here we go  :)

I decided to put slow motion on the catch of the 2 Turn Lighthouse because it kinda looks like it touches my hand... but it doesn't, I wouldn't have stopped filming felt so relieved when I finally completed it for the 4th time.

It took a long time today, a good hour or so... and earlier on today, I was filming and completed the ladder for my 3rd time (miss-free) but when I looked at the recording it was as zoomed in as it could be and I hadn't noticed!  :( Schoolboy error of filmmaking I know, but these things happen.

However!

KCC#8 Re-do (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRussDPmHT4#)
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: KendAlex on 06 January, 2012, 22:23:57
yeah you did it, congratulations.
WELL DONE
respect,
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: Thorny on 06 January, 2012, 22:35:08
Quote from: KendAlex on 06 January, 2012, 22:23:57
yeah you did it, congratulations.
WELL DONE
respect,

Thank you, Alex!
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: Toby on 06 January, 2012, 22:39:28
Yeah, nicely done man. A well deserved win I reckon! This one was way beyond me. Still, might continue working on it.
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: The Void on 06 January, 2012, 22:40:11
Well done Thorny.

Right, only 2 chances to "win" left....

I did notice that my better efforts were coinciding with doing it earlier in the day (daylight) and the worse ones in artificial light (kitchen lights). I guess I should quote Henning Wehn at myself: "Get up early in the morning, you lazy work-shy communist - you'll get more done!"
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: Thorny on 06 January, 2012, 22:57:48
Thanks very much guys!

And I think you should, Toby. Considering like people have been saying, they're all tricks which help improve your play overall!
If not all of the tricks, tackle it in sections, break it down into smaller ladders... I don't know, go crazy while your at the kettle.
Or as the case is usually, with me, the kettle and the toaster.
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: KendaMushroom on 07 January, 2012, 08:26:30
James, its because i'm nice and you've shown us more than once that you are able to do it, but the 3 second rule!! You are not suppose to move around during that time, i think it wouldve been a miss at the EKC...what do you think Void?

Well done anyways! So you want the rokurosen or a 2nd beeswax? Haha
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: Thorny on 07 January, 2012, 11:30:23
I didn't realise you weren't allowed to move your person, I thought the 3second rule applied directly and only to the kendama...

I guess it was a simple schoolboy error haha. As for which kendama... I think I'd rather have the beeswax, they seem quite rare these days... competition seal Rokurosens aren't as elusive.

Thank you, Nic and everyone else.

Gonna be a nice day when that parcel arrives regardless!
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: HansNickmans on 07 January, 2012, 13:22:56
Just wondering what a beeswax oozora is? Haven't seen it anywhere...
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: The Void on 07 January, 2012, 16:50:58
Well, I agree that James fully deserves his win, but for clarity, the BKA competition rule is that the *hand* must be held still while holding the balance for 3 seconds.
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: Peter on 07 January, 2012, 16:59:05
"hand" hold still compared to the rest of my body, so that I can walk around with it, yet with a stiff arm? Or compared to the rest of the universe, so that I can twist around my hand while it stays at the point it is...? ???
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: The Void on 07 January, 2012, 17:15:51
Hand still in relation to the floor (universe!). It's never been tested, but if I were judging then I suppose I would allow an "isolation balance", yes. I don't recommend deliberately trying it though! :)
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: Peter on 07 January, 2012, 17:46:53
Which reminds my, that my second try with 100 failures maximum is due today... so, here we go again....

The Birds flew everywhere, but not over the valley for a long time. But the Lighthouse turned in the 11th try. And the hanging one turn airplane crashed severall times near to the runway. Thus, today I came to trick 15 before my 100 fails have been achieved... :-)

Next try tomorrow.
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: KendaMushroom on 08 January, 2012, 11:00:29
Quote from: HansNickmans on 07 January, 2012, 13:22:56
Just wondering what a beeswax oozora is? Haven't seen it anywhere...

not produced anymore...so that's why ;)
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: Peter on 08 January, 2012, 19:09:04
Day No. 3. Again, I failed in the Lighthouse turn, after achieving my personal frustration limit of 100 mistakes a day. Yet, until I came there, I was considerably better than yesterday. The bird spiked after the valley in the 5th attempt...

Still a very long way to go, but I come nearer  :)

Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: The Void on 08 January, 2012, 19:12:12
18 again for me today.
I can't seem to get the spin right on the 2-t LH - I always seem to under- or over-spin it. Oh well, more practise, I suppose....
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: KendAlex on 08 January, 2012, 20:09:28
man i also can't get it clean, everytime get misses on the easiest tricks.
but what i did today that was realy blew my mind, i did a hanging 1,5 turn stilts landing totaly clean, and hold forever, i almost cried haha
but id not get it on tape, grrr battery died for the 38 times this ladder.
someday however the ladder is over or not, i'm gonna stick this one clean in my life.

Keep on clicking.

Edit: i did the ladder from the start with a Mugen kendama and my best shot was 4 misses.
10 minutes ago i get a almost new oozora and give it a shot, the first run i did with it was 14 misses, (bird 2 miss, around cosmos 1miss, jumping stick 1 miss, and hanging 1,5 turn earoplane 4 misses, swing in dubbel flip lighthouse 6 misses)

Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: Mirek on 08 January, 2012, 20:55:23
50, 47, 22 and I did that 2 turn bith on a first try. My training is kinda similar so I will not continue with this ladder.  8)

Well done Thorny I am looking forward to your ladder.
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: Peter on 08 January, 2012, 21:09:23
"The next ladder of thorny", btw... Hm, will it be announced, before the third player achieved Kendamushis tricklist? Or afterwards? I would like to see afterwards, this keeps the training efforts in the community on a certain level. Yet, well, this could least some time... :)

Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: The Void on 08 January, 2012, 22:51:08
I would suggest that we leave this one open for a month from when it started (like we did when no-one could do #4), and if by then no-one has joined Thorny in conquering it, it gets put in cold-storage, and we move on to #9. But it's up to Nicolas to officially hand over the "KCC baton" for the next one whenever he thinks it's right to do so.
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: Thorny on 09 January, 2012, 01:21:40
Quote from: The Void on 08 January, 2012, 22:51:08
I would suggest that we leave this one open for a month from when it started (like we did when no-one could do #4), and if by then no-one has joined Thorny in conquering it, it gets put in cold-storage, and we move on to #9. But it's up to Nicolas to officially hand over the "KCC baton" for the next one whenever he thinks it's right to do so.

Thanks for the clarification there, Void. I was going to ask about this but I see others already have! aha

Thanks guys, who I already haven't thanked btw.

I guess I'll get planning my ladder... it's won't be as demoralising as this one, I can reassure you!
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: KendaMushroom on 09 January, 2012, 06:23:37
If i do your ladder first try....i keep my beeswax! hahaha kidding.

yeah I think this ladder should stay open for a month...if within that time nobody has come up with 1 miss or less...we can give the royal crown to thorny and get on with it!

keep it up! looks like you are all progressing everyday!

for the 2 turn lighthouse void. spinning it with big cup faceing you "same way as 1turn airplane" helps a lot to spin properly and you have time to see it coming, think of it as barely half a turn more than 1turn airplane...and gravity wise...it's just catching it a little bit lower :) hope this helps!
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: The Void on 09 January, 2012, 17:42:12
Thanks Nic, but I'm doing all that already. Or trying to. Maybe the 'lower catch' will help. Just need some muscle memory and practice practice practice!
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: Peter on 09 January, 2012, 21:27:59
Hi folks,

Day No. 4: nice one again. Very few sleeping, very dense day at the office, and then, back at home, I made a very good work out with the trick ladder. Let's call it this way: I made 6 tricks with no mistakes, caught at the first time. So far, my biggest achievement was 4 without mistakes. And to my biggest surprise (and satisfaction!): the Lighthouse turn (#14) was amongst them. Spooky feeling!

So today, I made it up until the last trick, where after 43 mistakes in the Two turn lighthouse my frustration barrier was touched once again... well, one month, you said? That will be a close race ;)


Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: KendAlex on 10 January, 2012, 20:03:55
today i did the ladder again, and i made 5 mistakes, 1 on the 1 turn earoplane, 1 on the hanging 1 turn earoplane and 3 on the dubbel lighthouse.
getting closer everyday.
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: The Void on 10 January, 2012, 21:16:05
Heh, well done. I seem to be getting worse!  >:(
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: KendaMushroom on 13 January, 2012, 07:18:46
keep it up bud!
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: Thorny on 13 January, 2012, 11:41:34
My ladder is in the works! I won't post it until this thread is done and away with, though.

Just letting everyone know!
And keep trying guys, someone else will do it!
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: The Void on 14 January, 2012, 13:03:07
16.
Getting the last trick first time really helps![nb]"Uh, duh, you idiot, that's the entire point...." :)[/nb]
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: Peter on 14 January, 2012, 22:32:28
really, Void, that footnote gave me a laugh! Still does.... yes, that is the point!!! Sorry folks, for not having posted my last achievements, yet, you would have been disappointed... Nevertheless, I am still trying to do it.

*come on man, just do it!" hahaha - never did it within 100 so far.

Mirek! you are nearer than I am. Go for it!!!

Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: The Void on 15 January, 2012, 20:24:22
Glad to make you laugh, Peter. I looked at what I had typed and then realised how daft it sounded!

Anyway, today I did the list with 11 misses[nb]And then 38 the next go. Oh well....[/nb]. Still getting there. I'd better start filming my runs now.....
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: Mirek on 16 January, 2012, 10:34:09
Quote from: Peter on 14 January, 2012, 22:32:28
really, Void, that footnote gave me a laugh! Still does.... yes, that is the point!!! Sorry folks, for not having posted my last achievements, yet, you would have been disappointed... Nevertheless, I am still trying to do it.

*come on man, just do it!" hahaha - never did it within 100 so far.

Mirek! you are nearer than I am. Go for it!!!

I totally suck in that last trick and BKO practice is prior to me, sorry. ;)
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: KendaMushroom on 19 January, 2012, 21:10:59
go Void!

Alex not trying?
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: The Void on 20 January, 2012, 01:22:13
It's been more like "Stop, Void" for the past few days. Bad weather, insomnia, and being busy with dull stuff[nb]Then again, I did win the poker in the pub tonight.[/nb]. All this and a tax return to sort out soon. Anyone got any spare time they can send me?
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: Benjugglin on 20 January, 2012, 17:13:56
Quote from: The Void on 20 January, 2012, 01:22:13
It's been more like "Stop, Void" for the past few days. Bad weather, insomnia, and being busy with dull stuff[nb]Then again, I did win the poker in the pub tonight.[/nb]. All this and a tax return to sort out soon. Anyone got any spare time they can send me?

I do, but since I live in the middle of the US it probably won't get to you for quite a while.

I just tried this ladder. It's a beast. Excellent practice, but quite difficult. I can't seem to figure out the hanging airplane thing - that's a new one to me, it's going to take quite a bit of practice.
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: The Void on 20 January, 2012, 18:09:38
Quote from: Benjugglin on 20 January, 2012, 17:13:56I can't seem to figure out the hanging airplane thing - that's a new one to me, it's going to take quite a bit of practice.
I do a small back-swing (about 30˚) then let a highish launch do the work for the rotation[nb]Knees! 8)[/nb]. I can get the spin about right most of the time. Trouble is, I get the catch position wrong a lot of the time. :-/
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: Greg the Strangler on 20 January, 2012, 23:21:39
I'd like to give this a try but am not privy to the trick lingo. If anybody would be willing to spell out the tricks i would be grateful!
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: Thorny on 20 January, 2012, 23:31:45
No worries, Greg!

Watch them here!
Consistency Competition #8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtLMjuhVr-A#ws)
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: The Void on 03 February, 2012, 23:02:37
Quote from: The Void on 08 January, 2012, 22:51:08I would suggest that we leave this one open for a month from when it started (like we did when no-one could do #4), ...
Quote from: KendaMushroom on 09 January, 2012, 06:23:37yeah I think this ladder should stay open for a month...
Well Jan 4th to Feb 3rd is a month, and only Thorny has posted a video at all, so in a shameless attempt to steal 2nd place, I give you
Kendama Consistency Challenge #8 - juggling videos hosted @ Juggling.tv (http://juggling.tv/11592#id=http://juggling.tv/nuevo/econfig.php?key=92b9265d14c4835bc254)
...and await to see if Nic will allow it. (Knowing full well that if I was him, I wouldn't let me get away with it!  ;D)
I can and have done better, but in only 2 short filming sessions - one right at the start of the challenge, and one right at the end - this is the best I got on tape.

Thanks for setting a challenging challenge, Nic!
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: KendAlex on 04 February, 2012, 11:13:32
hey folks,

i realy had a hard time practicing this ladder for the past 30 days.
here is my best schot on camera.
i did make 5 mistakes, but he! i'm gonna need this ladder for the next DAN in Poland.
the practice will continue to get it perfect

thanks Nicolas for bringing this ladder.
enjoy
KendAlex consistancy laddar #8 with 5 mistakes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TLhYk5S-98#ws)
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: KendaMushroom on 04 February, 2012, 13:37:17
so close Void!! loved the patience, I think maybe talking to the camera gives you a lot more pressure :) but i enjoyed watching it...it was like a private show! rawr! haha

alex you are so fast haha...imagine if you took your time? ;) also you lighthouse frontflip just so you know... ;) so even with 1 mistake i couldn't count it.

Thanks guys for playing along, i know it was challenging, for me aswell. I think without havnig posted this challenge I wouldnt have pushed myself to do it!!

lets see what is next!

kudos for everyone! yaaaaay
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: KendaMushroom on 04 February, 2012, 13:39:41
oh and sweaty mugen ball...i know that one :)
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: BKA on 04 February, 2012, 14:05:12
Quote from: KendaMushroom on 04 February, 2012, 13:37:17also you lighthouse frontflip just so you know... ;) so even with 1 mistake i couldn't count it.
You mean you're restricting the orientation in which you can do the Somersault?!
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: KendAlex on 04 February, 2012, 14:11:27
I remember last year i asked Shimadera-san, if it does matter how the somersault is turning, and the answer was no, does not matter.
but oke this is your ladder and i'm oke with it. (did not win and miss anything with my ladder)
the main reason i did a frontflip because i saw the string was behind the centercup and i know it was getting stuck if i did a normal flip. ;)

Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: Mirek on 04 February, 2012, 18:00:35
I did some nice 8 faults attemps last time and I must say I enjoyed this ladder a lot. Big thanks Nic. Congrats Thorny. I am looking forward to next one.
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: KendaMushroom on 04 February, 2012, 19:20:31
Quote from: BKA on 04 February, 2012, 14:05:12
Quote from: KendaMushroom on 04 February, 2012, 13:37:17also you lighthouse frontflip just so you know... ;) so even with 1 mistake i couldn't count it.
You mean you're restricting the orientation in which you can do the Somersault?!

I'm not doing anything because it's over...I'm just saying, the list of trick is imposed, when someone says lighthouse summersault its 100% of the time, "backflip"...why give names to tricks if we can just do them in whichever direction we want? bird over the valley is never backwards, or it's not called that :) (might be easier for some people, but in this case I want to see the trick by definition)

@Alex : well kinda like Bat, i dont think reverse lighthouse flip is part of their reference book...and seems weird that at your 5th dan exam you arrive at lighthouse flip, and you do it reverse, that those judges won't be like "...uhhh what the funk was that?".

Oh well...just seems weird but i believe you. Cima-san's words :)

okaaaay KCC9!!!
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: KendAlex on 04 February, 2012, 22:06:33
there is no trick like frontflip lighthouse in the JKA trick list, that is why it does not matter wich side the flip is as long it is a flip,
same as the fallin trick, does not matter if it falling frontsize, a frontside fallin is also not in there trick list , same thing it does not matter if it falls sideways or frontside,
but in the next EJC i ask him again to make sure i did listen properly.

cheers.
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: Thorny on 05 February, 2012, 14:06:36
Kendama Consistency Competition #9 info and thread will be released either tonight or tomorrow morning!


I'm sorry, I don't fancy doing it on my phone  :P
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: The Void on 05 February, 2012, 14:26:44
Ooh, a new challenge to look forward to! Wheeeeee!  :)
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: KendAlex on 05 February, 2012, 14:30:09
better upload it when everybody is not on their work, so in the evening is the most fairly i think.
i can't wait,
so stoked jipie
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: Mark on 06 February, 2012, 09:00:29
I hope its one i got a chance of doing this time!
Title: Re: Consistency Competition #8
Post by: Dadooh on 14 February, 2012, 16:14:40
Wow! That was very impressive to see how Nic and Thorny did it. Very interesting exercise by the way. I decided to do it every day. It seems to be a good way to evaluate my improvements. Today i finished it with 90 mistakes. I planned to stop after 100 misses like peter did but i was surprised i ended it. I'll try to do it better tomorrow. Thanks to share your challenges, it's very exiting.