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Title: 'One Shot' Kendama Challenge.
Post by: Kev on 01 May, 2013, 13:01:57
After a few weeks of discussion, may I introduce . . .

'The Official Rules for One Shot Kendama':


One Shot Trick Ladder:


All Kyu Tricks =
(Big Cup / Small Cup / Base Cup / Candle / Pull Up In / Aeroplane / Swing In / Around Japan / Around the World / Lighthouse).

All Pre-Dan Tricks =
(Pull Up In / Aeroplane / Swing In / Around the Prefecture / Around Japan / Around the World / Lighthouse / Slip On Stick).

*If you fail at a Pre-Dan trick, then do 50 Moshi Kame - if you land them all you'll be 'One Shot 1st Kyu', if you fail you will be 'One Shot 2nd Kyu'.

If you passed all Pre-Dan tricks then you must do 100 Moshi Kame to complete 'One Shot Pre-Dan'.
 
One Shot 1st Dan =
Around the World / Lighthouse / Slip-on-stick / Earth Turn / Falling Down / Reverse Swing In / Around the Cosmos / Bird / Hanging Pull-up-in / Jumping Stick.

One Shot 2nd Dan =
Around the World / Lighthouse / Slip-on-stick / Earth Turn / Falling Down / Reverse Swing In / Around the Cosmos / Bird / Hanging Pull-up-in / Jumping Stick.
(* This is the same sequence as 1st Dan but done for a second time).

One Shot 3rd Dan =
Slip-on-stick / Earth Turn / Falling Down / Reverse Swing In / Around the Cosmos / Bird / Hanging Pull-up-in / Jumping Stick / 1-turn Aeroplane / 1-turn Lighthouse.

One Shot 4th Dan =
Slip-on-stick / Earth Turn / Falling Down / Reverse Swing In / Around the Cosmos / Bird / Hanging Pull-up-in / Jumping Stick / 1-turn Aeroplane / 1-turn Lighthouse.
(* This is the same sequence as 3rd Dan but done for a second time).

One Shot 5th Dan =
Around the Cosmos / Bird / Hanging Pull Up In / Jumping Stick / 1-Turn Aeroplane / 1-Turn Lighthouse / Slip Grip Special / Bird Fly Over the Valley / Lighthouse Somersault / Hanging 1-Turn Aeroplane / 2-Turn Lighthouse.

One Shot 6th Dan =
Around the Cosmos / Bird / Hanging Pull Up In / Jumping Stick / 1-Turn Aeroplane / 1-Turn Lighthouse / Slip Grip Special / Bird Fly Over the Valley / Lighthouse Somersault / Hanging 1-Turn Aeroplane / 2-Turn Lighthouse.
(* This is the same sequence as 5th Dan but done for a second time).


Additional Notes:

1. One Shot was invented as a difficult solo challenge, however, if you choose to battle your friends, and your match ends in a draw then settle with Moshi Kame – highest number wins. If you draw again, then Moshi until there is a clear winner.
 
2. You can give yourself a "grade" with this challenge but this is just to allow you to say what you have achieved in a way other Kendama players will understand. For more info on Official BKA Gradings, see: http://www.kendama.co.uk/exam.html (http://www.kendama.co.uk/exam.html)

3. The One Shot Challenge is difficult - if you achieve a high level you will have demonstrated impeccable skill, consistency and focus. The ultimate aim is to complete the One Shot Challenge from beginning to end - a perfect score. When you do this then award yourself the esteemed title of 'One Shot Master'.

4. Videos of all tricks are available with the http://www.kendama.co.uk/app.html (http://www.kendama.co.uk/app.html) - also .gifs of tricks can be found at http://www.kendama.co.uk/tricks.html (http://www.kendama.co.uk/tricks.html)

5. FYI - The Speed Trick is NOT a part of the One Shot Challenge.

PS - These are now the official rules but if you're interested you can see in the thread below the discussions we had to get here.
Title: Re: One shot grading ladder consistency challenge
Post by: BKA on 01 May, 2013, 13:09:30
(See http://kendama.co.uk/tricks.html (http://kendama.co.uk/tricks.html) for the tricks)
Title: Re: One shot grading ladder consistency challenge
Post by: Kev on 01 May, 2013, 14:01:52
Can I add,

You MUST include the Moshi Kame ;)

Good luck and post your progress on this thread!
Title: Re: One shot grading ladder consistency challenge
Post by: The Void on 03 May, 2013, 09:17:46
I had a go yesterday. I missed the Pre-Dan Swing In. D'oh!
Title: Re: One shot grading ladder consistency challenge
Post by: Kev on 03 May, 2013, 09:59:27
Nice one Void!
Title: Re: One shot grading ladder consistency challenge
Post by: The Void on 03 May, 2013, 10:30:44
Nice one Void!
Not for a 5th Dan!
*Hangs head in shame*
*Commits sepuku*

;)
Title: Re: One shot grading ladder consistency challenge
Post by: Kev on 03 May, 2013, 11:42:34
*Hangs head in shame*
*Commits sepuku*

;)

Ha ha! Brilliant ;D

One shot consistency is going to be really hard no matter what level you're at though surely?

Am I right in thinking you still get 10 attempts per trick in the Dan gradings? If so, to get an unbroken chain of perfect first attempts up to your Dan level would be quite a feat!

But of course, it CAN be done ;)

I'm going to be buzzin' when I can reach Kyu 1 in one shot!



 

Title: Re: One shot grading ladder consistency challenge
Post by: BKA on 03 May, 2013, 11:47:31
Indeed. In fact one of the KCCs (set by [user]KendaMushroom[/user]/Nic) was essentially this - for the Advanced tricks only.
Title: Re: One shot grading ladder consistency challenge
Post by: Kev on 05 May, 2013, 13:37:17
Indeed. In fact one of the KCCs (set by [user]KendaMushroom[/user]/Nic) was essentially this - for the Advanced tricks only.

Ah, Cool. Nice to start at the bottom of the ladder though for the less experienced players to join in.

On that note:

Just made it up to and including the Kyu 2 in one shot! Yay, getting better.

(Fell down on Lighthouse but frustratingly landed it second attempt!)
Title: Re: One shot grading ladder consistency challenge
Post by: Kev on 06 May, 2013, 16:13:45
Hey there Kendama people, let's see some scores! - (surely it's not JUST me and Void playing is it?)

Nothing to be shy about, consistency is tough but give it a try . . . it's good practice.

:)

Title: Re: One shot grading ladder consistency challenge
Post by: donald grant on 06 May, 2013, 22:11:07
Well, gave it a go this afternoon: got done over by the string during the moshi kame.  Good grief!

Gave it a few more goes later on, and managed to get through the kyu and pre-dan tricks, then messed up on the around the world in the dan list! 

It's good for making you practise the tricks you usually can't be bothered with/ don't like (that would be swing in for me :) )
Title: Re: One shot grading ladder consistency challenge
Post by: Kev on 07 May, 2013, 20:05:42
Wow! That's very impressive indeed Donald!  :)

Good stuff.

PS - that pesky Moshi Kame string thing eh?!
Title: Re: One shot grading ladder consistency challenge
Post by: The Void on 09 May, 2013, 06:39:08
I had another go yesterday, and got into the Dan tricks, but missed Hanging Spike.
So, what are the rules for Moshi Kame here, Kev? I did all Kyu tricks, then 50 Moshis, then all Pre-Dan tricks, then 100 Moshis, then started on the Dan tricks. But when/how many/how many times should you do Moshi?
Title: Re: One shot grading ladder consistency challenge
Post by: Kev on 09 May, 2013, 15:56:00
Good stuff Void - I reckon you must be a bit happier with that?

Regarding the Moshi Kame - My first thought was that it should be done as it comes along in the trick ladder. So, after the beginners tricks - do 50 Moshi Kame then after the Pre-Dan tricks do 100, then after 1st Dan 200 etc.

However, this would mean (if we go down this route), that if you manage to get to 4th Dan in one shot you would have done 2150 successful Moshi Kame within the attempt plus all the other tricks.

I guess I should hand over to you and the other more experienced players to ask - is this reasonable or achievable?

By it's nature the One Shot Consistency Challenge *IS* a very hard thing to do anyway. To include all those Moshis as well as landing all the other tricks would definitely demonstrate incredible skill - true mastery or is it just unreasonable? You tell me!

Some possible alternatives:

1) All the tricks, no moshi kame.
2) All the tricks plus a more reasonable number of Moshi Kame at the end of each level?

What do you reckon?

Be good to here everyone's thoughts

 :)
Title: Re: One shot grading ladder consistency challenge
Post by: BKA on 09 May, 2013, 19:53:32
The awkward thing about this challenge is that 1st & 2nd Dans both "end" at Jumping Stick, 3rd & 4th at 1-Turn Lighthouse, 5th & 6th at 2-Turn Lighthouse. With the added complication of Speed Trick B for 3-5th.

Realistically, to make this a bit more fun, and less of a chore, (and more like your original intention?) perhaps it's easier to simplify it...

Kyu Tricks
50 Moshi Kame
Pre-Dan Tricks
100 Moshi Kame
Dan tricks
+ Longest run of Moshi you can manage?
+ Speed Trick B if you fancied it?

So only 3 runs of Moshi instead of 6.

But now suppose you fail on 1-Turn Aeroplane... are you "1-Shot 1st Dan" or 2nd? This would require a Moshi run to settle it.
And if you failed on Slip Grip Special, but managed a final Moshi run of 1000, you'd still need an STB run to decide if you were 1-shot 3rd or 4th.

....?
Title: Re: One shot grading ladder consistency challenge
Post by: Kev on 09 May, 2013, 20:52:42
Thanks BKA -

I think we are agreed on the early stages then. . . let's lock these in as 'official':

Kyu Tricks
50 Moshi Kame
Pre-Dan Tricks
100 Moshi Kame

Now we have to sort out the Dan tricks as you say:

But now suppose you fail on 1-Turn Aeroplane... are you "1-Shot 1st Dan" or 2nd? This would require a Moshi run to settle it.
And if you failed on Slip Grip Special, but managed a final Moshi run of 1000, you'd still need an STB run to decide if you were 1-shot 3rd or 4th.
....?

I think your suggestion would work well but might need some clarification / spelling out - maybe we could produce a clear checklist when we've got it decided?

The only alternative which I think is the easier (for me at least) to follow (but I guess also the hardest to do) is that after steaming through the Kyu & Pre-Dan as above:

To get 1st Dan One Shot, you'd run though the sequence from Around the World to Jumping Stick then do the Moshi (x200).
 
Then:

To achieve 2nd Dan One shot you'd have to run Around the World to Jumping Stick AGAIN, then manage Moshi (x300).

For 3rd Dan One shot you'd then follow the Slip-on Stick to 1-turn lighthouse + STB in 120s and Moshi Kame (x500).

For 4th Dan One shot you'd then follow the Slip-on Stick to 1-turn lighthouse AGAIN + STB in 60s and 1000 x Moshi Kame.

For 5th Dan One shot you'd then follow the Around the Cosmos to 2-turn lighthouse + STB in 45s.

For 6th Dan - no idea! :)

Although I'm way off achieving this yet I like the idea that One Shot has the potential to show ultimate mastery in some respects - so it needs to be hard but as you say, it needs to be fun too!

If I'm understanding you correctly, you are suggesting this might be too hard or repetitive? Is it the 'AGAIN' part you might have an issue with? and would you prefer to find a way to simply to do each trick once?

What do you think?
Title: One shot grading ladder consistency challenge
Post by: Waylon on 10 May, 2013, 05:20:03
Perhaps you could just provide two categories for the achievement. One with all the Moshi Kame and one with reduced MK.  That way, there are two routes. You could even give them cool names like One Shot Pure and One Shot RMK.
Title: Re: One shot grading ladder consistency challenge
Post by: The Void on 10 May, 2013, 17:07:57
To be honest, I'd be more likely to be bothered to try it if it was just as simple/quick as possible. So
Kyu Tricks
Pre-Dan Tricks [If you fail at a Pre-Dan trick, then do 50 Moshi]
100 Moshi Kame if you passed all Pre-Dan tricks.
All Dan compulsory single tricks

Of course, that means you'd only be able to declare yourself "1st/2nd One-shot Dan", or 3rd/4th, or 5th/6th, but there you go.
Title: Re: One shot grading ladder consistency challenge
Post by: The Void on 10 May, 2013, 17:22:18
On those rules, just failed on 2-Turn LH.
= 1-shot 3rd/4th Dan.
Title: Re: One shot grading ladder consistency challenge
Post by: Kev on 10 May, 2013, 19:35:42
To be honest, I'd be more likely to be bothered to try it if it was just as simple/quick as possible.

^I agree, simplicity is key. I really think we're getting somewhere here guys, thanks for the input!

Can I suggest a slight tweak to [user]The Void[/user]'s suggestion which would enable a nicer way to "grade" yourself IMHO:

So, as Void says:

Kyu Tricks
Pre-Dan Tricks [If you fail at a Pre-Dan trick, then do 50 Moshi]
100 Moshi Kame if you passed all Pre-Dan tricks.

BUT THEN:

(As far as I understand, the Dan single tricks repeat (1+2, 3+4, 5+6)) -

So, I suggest -

To get 1-shot 1st Dan you do = Around the World / Lighthouse / Slip-on-stick / Earth Turn / Falling Down / Reverse Swing In / Around the Cosmos / Bird / Hanging Pull-up-in / Jumping Stick x1

To get 1-shot 2nd Dan you do it again (so in total you'd have done it twice)

For 1-Shot 3rd Dan you'd do:

Slip-on-stick / Earth Turn / Falling Down / Reverse Swing In / Around the Cosmos / Bird / Hanging Pull-up-in / Jumping Stick / 1-turn Aeroplane / 1-turn Lighthouse. x1

For 4th Dan you'd do it again (so in total you'd have done it X2 as before)

See what I mean? Do you think that works better?

As far as I can see that means you can then "grade" yourself any level of 1-Shot Dan from 1st to 6th?

What say you peeps?

PS - not sure how the Speed Trick fits in - maybe you just do them / don't do them? Or use them to settle a draw?

PPS - Void - so that would make your latest attempt a One Shot 4th Dan.

Title: Re: One shot grading ladder consistency challenge
Post by: Kev on 16 May, 2013, 10:49:40
OK if no one has any objections I'd like to make the above the 'official' rules for doing the One Shot Challenge.

Any final thoughts or comments?

I'll leave this open until the weekend then if we're all agreed I suggest we delete this thread and begin a new one with the rules clearly stated at the top - would that be cool with you [user]BKA[/user] / other forum mods?

Title: Re: One shot grading ladder consistency challenge
Post by: BKA on 16 May, 2013, 12:05:34
No need to delete, just edit the first post in the thread with the amended rules.
Title: Re: One shot grading ladder consistency challenge
Post by: emagdnim on 19 May, 2013, 22:52:02
 I am quite happy I stranded at Lighthouse.

Landed Lighthouse after 4 try's (witch I am still pretty happy about, because I learned lighthouse 3 days ago)
Title: Re: POST UPDATED : 'The Official Rules for One Shot Kendama'
Post by: Kev on 20 May, 2013, 22:22:42
Well done [user]emagdnim[/user]! Great achievement :)

EVERYONE PLEASE NOTE:

The 'Official' rules of One Shot have now been updated.

(See http://www.kendama.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1055.0.html (http://www.kendama.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1055.0.html) for details)

Let's start seeing some scores . . . AND . . .WHO will be the FIRST One Shot Master???
Title: Re: POST UPDATED : 'The Official Rules for One Shot Kendama'
Post by: The Void on 26 January, 2014, 13:50:08
PPS - Void - so that would make your latest attempt a One Shot 4th Dan.
Re-visiting this thread, I'd say, no it would be One Shot 1st Dan, as I did not do the second run though at the time.
Title: Re: POST UPDATED : 'The Official Rules for One Shot Kendama'
Post by: Kev on 26 January, 2014, 20:25:57
Been a while since I've tried this, came to mind as I was suggesting [user]@Dimensions[/user] had a shot earlier as he's looking for a new challenge.

It is hard, which seems to put people off but I reckon that's part of the fun! Now I've upped my game since my original best effort I'm going to try to beat my 1-shot Kyu 1 soon.

Anyone else up for it?


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