I noticed that you said 'aka frying pan' in the title of the reply. I know frying pan, and that's a completely different trick to the one I was thinking of (where you balance it on the side of the spike and between the cups). I think I might have used the wrong name for the trick, but anyway, the trick that I was thinking of was cup to spike from Sara grip. I knew how to do it from ken grip, but not Sara grip. Sorry for the confusion , and thanks for trying to help:p