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with the threat of being beaten to a pulp bij the mighty BKA headchief  :P

should we have a bilboquete tricks and trick names thread ?
i can do some tricks , but don't know enough and really don't know any names

and i don't understand the bilbostyle site (which haven had a update for 3 / 5 years)

you can learn so much for your kendama skils from bilboquete

No objection.

haha thx ;-)

i've looked at the bilbosytle site
and i'am gonna have some problem translating , but we'll  see

I have been watching Bilboquet Edits for a while now and have been trying to work out the system of naming things. I have not gotten very far. I have lost the link to one edit where every trick was filmed in slow-mo with names, and though many were contradictory, many were steady. The terms Rabbit, Schmorbluck, Switch/Backside/Frontside/Opposite all seem to refer to both parts of the bilboquet doing different things. Example:

Fluidtrick (Bilbostyle) gives in one edit the name Double Kenobi to what I think we in Kendama terms would call Whirlwind Fast Hand Aeroplane > Tradespike (start ken grip, throw whole kendama outwards, grab tama, lob tama over ken, grab ken in ken grip, spike.) That would suggest to me a Kenobi is the name for Fast Hand transfer, and not really the trick itself.

EDIT: I think that this is natural when you realize that a greater majority of bilbo tricks start with a loaded shaft, so the whole 'Whirlwind (and while this is happening) Fast Hand Aero (Whirlwind still going on, wait for it) > Tradespike' is a bit cumbersome.

Although I am pretty sure the usage of Reverse/Outside/Switch etc is sketchy, I am more convinced though that I just haven't understood the manner of naming bilbo tricks. The forum on Bilbostyle seems pretty organized and direct, my French is just too lousy when it comes to technical descriptions with verbs and adverbs flying in all directions. I'd love it if someone on the forum could explain it to me (and find me a bilboquet supplier!)

EDIT2: Have found the lost video:

wow thats a great start !!
i've seen lots of bilbo edits to, but nut this one
the vid really helps

thx

Well, as a french guy, I heard your call for help and searched the Bilbostyle site  ;) I don't have much time, but I'm gonna try to clarify the terms the milky used :

- "Kenobi" indicates a grip change during the trick, getting from a ken grip (named "Classic") to a ball grip (named "Opposite"), or from a ball grip to a ken grip (in this case, you precise "Opposite" at the beginning of the trick name). You were right, it's just a transfer, so you have to combine it with something : for example with "Schmorbluck" (= Swing In) : a "Schmorblug Kenobi" (= Swing In to Fast Hand Aeroplane) or an "Opposite Schmorbluck Kenobi" (= Aeroplane to Fast Hand Swing In).

- "Rabbit" : "a side movement towards the outside", and "Harakiri" : "a side movement towards yourself" (I translate it word for word).

- "Switch" : you take the ken with your weak hand. "Reverse" : you take the ken with the base facing upwards.

- "Backside" and "Frontside" indicate the way the ball or the ken rotates (the "Reverse" in kendama's Earth Turn / Reverse Earth Turn, or the difference between Jumping Stick / Tomahawk). "Inside" and "Outside" are the 2 others rotating directions.

That's it, hope it helped  :)

Fred

Merci, Fred, très aidant. From my observations I would like to add that:

Pop is a Jumping Stick
Varial is a half-Whirlwind
Skywalk Zero is a Spacewalk > Tradespike.

Pop is described as an Earth Turn ; you add the number of rotations (Pop 360 = Earth turn, Pop 720 = Double Earth Turn) and the direction of the rotation (Inside Pop 360, etc.). I guess a Jumping Stick would be named "Opposite Pop".

Varial is presented as a half-Whirlwind indeed.

The last one isn't in their list.

i thought 'swap ' also was a real bilbo kind of name

i know you can have a lot of provide , when you have some bilbo skills to put into your kendama trick bag.

so to keep this thread a live ..
post your bilbo setup please !!!  8)

luckly i've got two 'bilbostyle' bilbo's
-a 250 with two stripped block
-a champ 180

(http://s17.postimg.org/79ww768v3/eelco_Bilbo_s.jpg)

Quote from: s070s on 12 January, 2015, 12:22:36i know you can have a lot of provide , when you have some bilbo skills to put into your kendama trick bag.

so to keep this thread a live ..
post your bilbo setup please !!!  8)

I don't think "provide" is the right word in English...  ?
But anyway, yes, sir!
Kendama for scale. I don't have one of the chunky new style bilbos.
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tja pardon... ik heb niet de luxe om in mijn eigen taal te kunnen spreken hier.

NEED MORE PICS you guys !!

Quote from: s070s on 16 January, 2015, 11:24:19tja pardon... ik heb niet de luxe om in mijn eigen taal te kunnen spreken hier.

Ha, of course. Sorry, my friend, I didn't mean to pick on you, that would just be nasty. Normally if a non-native English speaker writes something in mistaken English, we "get the idea" of what they meant, and move on, no problem. It's just that this time I genuinely didn't know what you meant.

Thinking about it more now, perhaps you meant "inspiration" or maybe "have more ideas"?

hee ... no worries
i some translate the dutch word with to many english words i don't know they just sound correct in my head

Quote from: The Void on 12 January, 2015, 12:32:20
Kendama for scale. I don't have one of the chunky new style bilbos.
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it's pretty funny to compaire these
the bilbo's (and others) are around for so long, that there are many shapes and sizes
on the other hand you can see some refinement in the bilbostyle ones
... you can see 'a bevel ' (i think its called like that ) (the 'ana' in the 'tama' with the side slopes )