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Title: EKO 2018
Post by: jakub.zahumensky on 04 March, 2018, 17:35:37
Facebook event: https://www.facebook.com/events/656962594662360/
Main division tricklists: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVpHDnrGa9EHxajyAV7VBtczFvlBMovwi
Gloken-Style cup tricklists: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVpHDnrGa9EGGiBWNWu5uaD6kkrxjJyLL
Online registration (including an accommodation option): https://www.sweetskendamas.ro/european-kendama-open-2018/
Instagram: @europeankendamaopen













Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: The Void on 04 March, 2018, 17:54:57
Oooh!
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: Dimensions on 04 March, 2018, 18:07:38
Yay!
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: shalafi on 05 March, 2018, 09:25:02
wooo
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: jakub.zahumensky on 07 March, 2018, 13:34:45
I have updated the original post. I will (like last year) keep updating it with new info as we make it available, to keep it all in one place.
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: The Void on 07 March, 2018, 13:46:31
Romania? - Probably a good shout.
September. Well, okay.

Any chance of knowing the city? (Gonna start looking at flight info.)
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: jakub.zahumensky on 07 March, 2018, 13:55:04
We picked the dates with respect to KWC, MKO and Catch and flow, also considering that school in Romania starts Sept 10. Now I see we should have considered the rest of Europe as well, especially because of the tour... The city is not final yet, but Buchurest has a high probability. We will announce it as soon as we can.
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: The Void on 07 March, 2018, 14:02:18
Okay, thanks.
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: shalafi on 08 March, 2018, 22:26:24
Romania has a very strong Kendama community. I think it is a good call to do it there.

I don't know if I'll be able to attend, but I'll try to.
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: Dimensions on 08 March, 2018, 22:45:50
Unfortunately this clashes with the only week I have things booked for over my summer, so I won’t be able to make it this year
 :(
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: jakub.zahumensky on 09 March, 2018, 08:53:04
Unfortunately this clashes with the only week I have things booked for over my summer, so I won’t be able to make it this year
 :(

Damn :-(
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: Alex Olaru on 25 March, 2018, 13:50:27
Hey.I'm from Romania and i'm so excited for EKO.But i have a question.Who will be invited?If a guy will win the contest,what will happen?
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: shalafi on 25 March, 2018, 17:46:34
Hey.I'm from Romania and i'm so excited for EKO.But i have a question.Who will be invited?If a guy will win the contest,what will happen?
It's an open, which means there's no need for an invitation, anyone can participate.

The winner is the European champion of 2018. Sometimes the prizes include a trip to Japan to compete on some event there.
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: jakub.zahumensky on 28 March, 2018, 19:45:20
Hey.I'm from Romania and i'm so excited for EKO.But i have a question.Who will be invited?If a guy will win the contest,what will happen?

Hey Alex, great to heat you are excited! We are very excited as well. As Shalafi said, anybody can enter the competition, no invitation needed. The highest placed European plauer in the PRO division will become the new European kendama champion and will get a lot of kendama prizes and an awesome main prize. I say highest place, because the competition is an Open, which means that non-European player can enter as well, but cannot become European Champions.
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: shalafi on 28 March, 2018, 20:00:06
Good clarification for the difference between the EKO winner and the European champion.
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: The Void on 01 April, 2018, 15:53:44
We picked the dates with respect to KWC, MKO and Catch and flow, also considering that school in Romania starts Sept 10. Now I see we should have considered the rest of Europe as well, especially because of the tour... The city is not final yet, but Buchurest has a high probability. We will announce it as soon as we can.
Speaking for myself, the later you give me concrete info that I can base my travel plans on, the less likely it is that I'll come. So, just for good measure, *bump*. :)
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: jakub.zahumensky on 04 May, 2018, 11:29:12


more updates presently :)
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: jakub.zahumensky on 09 May, 2018, 12:24:35
Depozitul Kendama is our main partner in crime this year! Big things coming!

Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: jakub.zahumensky on 16 May, 2018, 13:07:27
We picked the dates with respect to KWC, MKO and Catch and flow, also considering that school in Romania starts Sept 10. Now I see we should have considered the rest of Europe as well, especially because of the tour... The city is not final yet, but Buchurest has a high probability. We will announce it as soon as we can.
Speaking for myself, the later you give me concrete info that I can base my travel plans on, the less likely it is that I'll come. So, just for good measure, *bump*. :)

Venue will be revealed tomorrow, so your patient waiting is coming to an end ;)
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: jakub.zahumensky on 17 May, 2018, 12:21:32
We cannot wait to welcome everybody at the beautiful Hotel Caro Club in Buchurest for this year's EKO competitions! :) A "warm-up tour" is in the making as well, so stay tuned. :)

Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: s070s on 18 May, 2018, 09:34:40
dope dope dope!!
could you tell something more about the 'main organiser'
is it like the locaL kendama shop?
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: jakub.zahumensky on 18 May, 2018, 12:59:44
dope dope dope!!
could you tell something more about the 'main organiser'
is it like the locaL kendama shop?

Oh, it's much more than that :) Depozitul kendama (i.e. "The Kendama Deposit"in English) is the biggest kendama distributor in Romania. They import and distribute all major brands except KROM (I don't know why; I haven't asked; it's none of my business). They also organize a lot of events around Romania. The owner of Depozitul Kendama is also the guy behind Sweets Romania (and Spain). He has a lot of great contacts to people from the community and is a great guy to be around. :)
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: The Void on 21 May, 2018, 10:04:00
Venue will be revealed tomorrow, so your patient waiting is coming to an end ;)
Too late for me, I’m afraid. I’ve now got other commitments. Have fun, everyone.
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: jakub.zahumensky on 22 May, 2018, 10:57:39
Venue will be revealed tomorrow, so your patient waiting is coming to an end ;)
Too late for me, I’m afraid. I’ve now got other commitments. Have fun, everyone.

The dates have been public since March 7.
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: jakub.zahumensky on 22 May, 2018, 11:07:37
Congratulations @paulsayer on taking the British Kendama Champion title and winning flights to EKO 2018!!! See you in Romania, homie :)

Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: The Void on 22 May, 2018, 19:42:34
Yes, but not the venue/tour locations, which meant I couldn’t plan on booking flights or hotels. And now the 9th is included, so if I had booked a flight back on the 9th, based on “3rd-8th”, I’d’ve been inconvenienced. Oh well. Hope it all goes great for you all.
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: s070s on 28 June, 2018, 10:29:07
how much does the hotel 'caro' cost ?
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: jakub.zahumensky on 20 July, 2018, 21:23:42
Hello everyone! We apologize for keeping you waiting this long without solid information on which to base your travels. This was due to certain technical issues with the preparation of the tour that we were planning. Sadly, we had to cancel the tour in the end.

However, Maico, myself and a lot of European players, including the National champions, will be in Bucharest from Tuesday Sept 4th and staying until Monday Sept 10th. We will be up to a lot of shenanigans around the city, so come join us! :)

The competition weekend starts on Friday evening and will go on into Sunday afternoon.

For the competition weekend there will be the option to get a registration package that includes accommodation at the student’s dormitory of the Romanian-American University. The package is 115 EUR and includes the registration fee, a goodies bag and 4 nights (Thursday-Monday) at 2-bed rooms. Registration without accommodation is 35 EUR. A competition-only (no accommodation and no goodies bag) registration is 7 EUR. Spectators have free entry. The registration will open next week at www.sweetskendamas.ro/european-kendama-open-2018/.

The main division tricklists will be out next week. The Gloken-style cup tricklists will come out shortly afterward.

Once again we apologize for the delay and thank you all for keeping faith in us! See you in Romania! :)
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: jakub.zahumensky on 23 July, 2018, 14:49:22
Tricklists are live! Videos coming soon.

Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: jakub.zahumensky on 24 July, 2018, 11:14:21
Trisklist videos are up!  :)

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVpHDnrGa9EHxajyAV7VBtczFvlBMovwi
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: jakub.zahumensky on 25 July, 2018, 14:03:09
Gloken-style cup level 1 is live! We plan to release one each day, so stay tuned. And thank you again all who submitted. In the end we had 215 submission from 80 players, which is great. Not an easy time sorting it, though, to be sure :)

https://youtu.be/U7zN5_0PMW4
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: BKA on 07 August, 2018, 14:24:46
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m7YQo0GCUU
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: BKA on 07 August, 2018, 14:25:02
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xyFUQ4p48g
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: BKA on 07 August, 2018, 14:25:17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofLfVIQTGmc
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: BKA on 07 August, 2018, 14:25:31
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN1-4T3AB9M
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: BKA on 07 August, 2018, 14:25:47
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxoUkEtDRHw
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: BKA on 07 August, 2018, 14:26:02
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia2GXvOEWAQ
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: BKA on 07 August, 2018, 14:26:19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsRt0Mrtr_k
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: BKA on 07 August, 2018, 14:26:35
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSzuBVM7L9g
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: BKA on 07 August, 2018, 14:26:54
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_ez0dHlMj4
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: BKA on 07 August, 2018, 14:27:23
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GIan9vXyyo
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: BKA on 07 August, 2018, 14:27:45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiC7GAKvNq0
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: BKA on 07 August, 2018, 14:28:09
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ7wUYLcgos
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: BKA on 07 August, 2018, 14:28:23
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTjmA0nFo6g
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: jakub.zahumensky on 07 August, 2018, 14:44:23
Thank you BKA for updating the thread. I have now added to links to everything in the first post.

All info can be found here:
Facebook event: https://www.facebook.com/events/656962594662360/
Main division tricklists: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVpHDnrGa9EHxajyAV7VBtczFvlBMovwi
Gloken-Style cup tricklists: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVpHDnrGa9EGGiBWNWu5uaD6kkrxjJyLL
Online registration (including an accommodation option): https://www.sweetskendamas.ro/european-kendama-open-2018/ - a lot people are arriving to Bucharest on Tuesday Sept 4th already, so come join the fun!
Instagram: @europeankendamaopen

A small clarification though, for it seems not everyone is clear on these:
- The EKO is, and always has been, an OPEN. That means that anyone from anywhere can enter and win. Just pick a division based on your skill level. :)
- Only players competing in the PRO division will be allowed to enter the Freestyle.
- The Gloken-style cup is open to everybody who wishes to participate.
- The title of "European Champion" is awarded to the highest placed European player in the PRO division. At the same time, the MAIN PRIZE goes to the European Champion (the 1st place goodies package goes to the Winner of EKO regardless of Nationality, of course).

If there are any questions, just ask :)
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: BKA on 11 August, 2018, 13:17:57
https://youtu.be/r4Ngj4SBV5w
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: The Void on 08 September, 2018, 16:41:48
Pro brackets are being updated here:
https://challonge.com/eko2018pro
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: shalafi on 08 September, 2018, 17:03:04
Interesting, our Irish champ taking out Thorklid on first round. I don't know many of the players, but they must be good since they are taking out other ones I do know.

I think Paul and Yoris are the only ones I know on quarter finals.
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: The Void on 09 September, 2018, 10:06:05
3rd Round, not Quarters. Quarters are next. Coming up today, with the rest of it, I guess. Go @paulsayer !
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: Dimensions on 09 September, 2018, 19:26:09
The second half of the bracket on day 3:
https://challonge.com/EKO2018PROFINALS

There's something odd about this one, maybe it has something to do with adding in two extra people in the third round who didn't start from round one. I know some people had byes to fill the bracket but I always thought it was just a single round thing not two
Anyone got clarification on this?
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: The Void on 09 September, 2018, 19:44:46
So Bonz and Nick got a free pass to Round 3? To me, that seems extremely unfair to everyone else.
I don't understand why that would have happened.

Congratulations to Terteleag Tiberiu, the new Europen Kendama Champion.
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: jakub.zahumensky on 12 September, 2018, 21:41:15
Interesting, our Irish champ taking out Thorklid on first round. I don't know many of the players, but they must be good since they are taking out other ones I do know.

I think Paul and Yoris are the only ones I know on quarter finals.

Thorkild did not actually compete in the PRO division. There was a small misunderstanding at registration, but since the brackets had already been made before we found out he would not compete, Danny boy got a free pass, basically. Thorkild did compete in freestyle and was eliminated in the first round by Davide Leonardi from Italy.

Bonz and Nick were seeded higher up to get them out of the way. Imagine practicing really hard, being ready and all, flying 1500 km to Romania and then coming up against either of these two in round 1. This was not my idea and I was originally against it, but once it sank in a bit I saw the reasoning as valid. But of course, there are two ways to look at this. This being said, Bonz was obviously nervous and actually had it quite hard at points against some Romanian kids.Who knows what would have happened if we put them in from round 1.


Main division results:


Gloken style cup results coming soon. If impatient, visit Depozitul Kendama IG.
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: jakub.zahumensky on 12 September, 2018, 21:45:49
Rolf basically killed himself after I failed him on a trick. He was not focusing after that at all. So the kid walked away with beating Rolf and 50 EUR to boot :)
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: shalafi on 12 September, 2018, 22:21:49
There's definitely 2 ways to look at that: Imagine you practice hard, fly to the EKO and get seeded against one of these... Yeah, I lost, but look who was I against!
That being said, I've travelled to EKOs a few times knowing for sure that I won't make it past round 1, and that being pretty much irrelevant. But I understand that not everyone thinks the same way I do.

Anyway, massive turnout by the looks of the brackets.
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: jakub.zahumensky on 12 September, 2018, 22:26:57
There's definitely 2 ways to look at that: Imagine you practice hard, fly to the EKO and get seeded against one of these... Yeah, I lost, but look who was I against!
That being saiErd, I've travelled to EKOs a few times knowing for sure that I won't make it past round 1, and that being pretty much irrelevant. But I understand that not everyone thinks the same way I do.

Anyway, massive turnout by the looks of the brackets.

I don't know the exact number, but around 120 participants. 61 in PRO, 103 in Gloken style cup, 49 in freestyle (limited to those in Pro). I believe beginners around 30 and both advanced and intermediate around 15. 20 Nationalities (counting Maico both as Philipino and English :D)
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: shalafi on 12 September, 2018, 22:37:14
Wow, I don't keep track of size of previous events, but I think the largest EKO to date was Denmark, and it was smaller that that.

Great job!
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: The Void on 12 September, 2018, 22:50:58
Bonz and Nick were seeded higher up to get them out of the way. Imagine practicing really hard, being ready and all, flying 1500 km to Romania and then coming up against either of these two in round 1. This was not my idea and I was originally against it, but once it sank in a bit I saw the reasoning as valid.
Well, you were completely right in the first place, and very wrong when you caved in. When there are "holes" in the first round (e.g. 59 players in a knockout round of 64), then and only then does it make sense to either seed (in this example) 5 players through to round 2, or give 5 random players a pass. But to let players skip 2 rounds? That's totally unfair. And it doesn't sound like the whole story is being told here: if you're seeding 2 people into round 3, then you need to make sure that *14* other players make it through, and not *16*, as it was at the end of day 1.

I'm really saddened to see the integrity of the competition that I founded ruined like this. If you want to win the EKO (or any other competition), then you should be prepared to enter on a level playing field, and to have to beat any other player. Plenty of players have previously been disappointed at being drawn against a strong opponent in round one. Tough, that's sport. Practice, get better.

And to clarify: None of what I've said here is directed personally against Bonz or Nick. Obviously, they're both great players. Quite possibly the result may have been the same if they'd entered Round 1,.... but we'll never know, will we?

Sorry to moan, but I hope this situation never happens again.

And to finish on a positive note, thanks @jakub.zahumensky (and all other organisers) for all your hard work that I know you've put in again this year. A good turn out, and hopefully everyone had a lot of fun, so well done.

Onwards, and I hope I'll be back at EKO again next year, wherever that turns out to be.
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: jakub.zahumensky on 13 September, 2018, 09:29:24
Even better would have been to do double elimination. But I bet you can imagine how time consuming that would be. On the first day we had to do 2 matches simultaneously and ended the day at 11 pm anyway. I believe in seeding some players into the brackets so that the players with (perceived) highest chances to win don't meet until quarter/semifinals (or at least not in the first couple of rounds). Rest random. We did this last year and 3 of the 4 we had picked were in the semifinals, validating our picks. Note that this is not something that we came up with randomly. Mirek and Feel had been studying how to best make the brackets quite extensively before MCSK 2017. They did not do this type of "hack" at the BKO this year and Rob, i.e. British champ 2017, got eliminated by Rolf, i.e. a non-British player, in the first round, which I perceive as not right. What I wanted to do this year was to take Nick, Bonz, Rolf (as the European champ 2017) and National champs and put each into a different "leg" of the spider, so that would not meet before quarterfinals (or at least not too soon). But the cookie crumbled a bit differently.

At the end of the day, seeing how Tiblex was the highest placed European player in both PRO and Gloken style cup (results below), and seeing the players compete, him taking the title was very well deserved.

We ended up with 16 players after day one because we were unable to tell Challonge to give us 14. Simple as that. Whole story told. This option is probably not even there, since we did something that is probably non-standard.

The biggest THANKS should definitely go to Depozitul Kendama as they did the most of the actual organizing.]

Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: shalafi on 13 September, 2018, 10:37:33
I am not against seeding, all big tournaments do it. But they do it based on a ranking, not by "personal perception". There was an attempt to make a kendama player ranking, similar to the one for tennis, maybe one similar to chess would be easier to implement.
In the absence of a formal ranking system, seeding is "arbitrary". Still, arbitrary seeding is better than none. National champions, previous winner of the EKO, winners of other important events beeing seeded sounds like a good initial approach that is not just based on personal judgement.

However, I think the only way to get a "bye" should be on first round, and it is done to adjust the numbers to be a power of 2 and have an even bracket.

In Tennis, for example, once the tournament starts, all the players are seeded. There is however a set of classifier rounds where everyone that wants to join but does not have a ranking can compete and earn some slots. I see that as a necessary evil, but I can't imagine seeding Nadal, Ferrer and Djokovick just on the quarter final arguing that "they are going to be the ones getting there anyway", the pressure and how tired you get after playing is not to be dismissed. We should not dismiss the amount of pressure that playing a round of knock-off takes.

There is other competition that used to seed high profile players later in the game, it was Magic the Gathering GPs (GPs are opens, Pro Tours require you to win an invitation and have no "byes") but the structure of the tournament is radically different, every player gets to play all the rounds and gets points for winning, high profile players enter after round 1, 2 or 3 and enter with the equivalent points as if they had won all the matches. Up to today, I still find it unfair, specillay at the time I was given "byes" myself.

It is an interesting discussion point.
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: Dimensions on 13 September, 2018, 11:09:00
Quick side note, anyone else remember Matt Nix beating Bonz in the first round in 2016?
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: The Void on 13 September, 2018, 12:07:37
I believe in seeding some players into the brackets so that the players with (perceived) highest chances to win don't meet until quarter/semifinals (or at least not in the first couple of rounds). Rest random.
I'm fine with that. But that kind of seeding can be achieved by the placement of players within the first round bracket. No need for anyone to skip forwards.
The rules should be clear and the same for everyone.
Right, I've had my say on this, I'm done.

Congrats to Nick for winning the cup!
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We ended up with 16 players after day one because we were unable to tell Challonge to give us 14. Simple as that. Whole story told. This option is probably not even there, since we did something that is probably non-standard.
Thanks for that clarification.
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The biggest THANKS should definitely go to Depozitul Kendama as they did the most of the actual organizing.
Happy to echo that - thanks all!
Quick side note, anyone else remember Matt Nix beating Bonz in the first round in 2016?
Maybe Bonz decided to practice more so that didn't happen again. Seemed to work - well done him!
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: jakub.zahumensky on 18 September, 2018, 10:17:28
Video, photos and full results are online:
https://www.sweetskendamas.ro/european-kendama-open-2018/
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: jakub.zahumensky on 18 September, 2018, 10:19:49
I'd say that this year (unlike in Netherlands) Bonz actually practiced (add the BKA approved damas only back then), which was combined with the fact that this year his mind was far less hazy compared to EKO so close to Amsterdam. He also probably didn't want to be beaten by a random Romanian kid.
Title: Re: EKO 2018
Post by: jakub.zahumensky on 19 September, 2018, 16:22:31
Edit from Kendama Bulgaria: https://youtu.be/r--b-Eqafw0
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