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Title: Half-Swirl Aeroplane Tutorial (Was: VOTW 14-05-2012)
Post by: The Void on 13 May, 2012, 19:04:20
I hope this helps some of you with the trick!
http://juggling.tv/12018
(http://juggling.tv/thumb/0_12018.jpg)
Title: Re: Half-Swirl Aeroplane Tutorial (Was: VOTW 14-05-2012)
Post by: Thorny on 13 May, 2012, 19:18:47
I'm rather glad you've thrown this together.
I know how to do this trick, but I don't really do a 'half-swirl' it just kinda goes a bit mental how I do it :P
Controlled, might I add... just mental.

You do it inwards, compared to me as well... I'll throw together a quick 40 second video soon of myself doing it how I usually do it and then again but THIS way :P
Title: Re: Half-Swirl Aeroplane Tutorial (Was: VOTW 14-05-2012)
Post by: AlexSmith on 14 May, 2012, 01:40:55
Awesome, thanks Void. I once tried to figure this one out, but gave up after some frustrated attempts. This should definitely make things easier :P
Title: Re: Half-Swirl Aeroplane Tutorial (Was: VOTW 14-05-2012)
Post by: John on 14 May, 2012, 04:24:50
Thanks for this, Void. I'm a bit rubbish at these! I have a couple of days holiday so no excuses not to land this, really...
Title: Re: Half-Swirl Aeroplane Tutorial (Was: VOTW 14-05-2012)
Post by: PAshaRome on 14 May, 2012, 08:47:36
Thank you, Void. It is very useful
Title: Re: Half-Swirl Aeroplane Tutorial (Was: VOTW 14-05-2012)
Post by: The Void on 14 May, 2012, 13:43:33
Cheers guys, good luck!

Thorny, I'm worried from your description that you might be doing something that wouldn't be allowed in competition. Yeah, throw up a video of your way, so I can check. I wonder if "a bit mental" corresponds to a full swirl instead of a half-swirl? (See Dave's vid (http://www.kendama.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,147.0.html) of all full-swirl variations.) If so, you better learn the unmental version. :-)
Title: Re: Half-Swirl Aeroplane Tutorial (Was: VOTW 14-05-2012)
Post by: Elmoney on 31 May, 2012, 14:22:02
Pretty cool tutorial :) Thank's you the void now I got something to learn :D
Title: Re: Half-Swirl Aeroplane Tutorial (Was: VOTW 14-05-2012)
Post by: AlexSmith on 08 June, 2012, 06:31:19
Thanks to this video (literally), I now have the swirls down (along with some fun exits!). Now I just need to dig up the original swirl video and learn the rest of the ridiculous variations haha
Title: Re: Half-Swirl Aeroplane Tutorial (Was: VOTW 14-05-2012)
Post by: TheKendamaSensation on 09 September, 2012, 19:57:48
Dang it! So close. Aeroplane part was off a little bit. Great video editing!
Title: Re: Half-Swirl Aeroplane Tutorial (Was: VOTW 14-05-2012)
Post by: The Void on 31 October, 2012, 15:07:39
I love how Swirls and Half-Swirls are cropping up in loads of people's videos these days. :D
Title: Re: Half-Swirl Aeroplane Tutorial (Was: VOTW 14-05-2012)
Post by: Dave on 03 January, 2013, 18:17:42
Swirls. Man I love these tricks. I may have to pick up ones Dama and get back on it :)
Title: Re: Half-Swirl Aeroplane Tutorial (Was: VOTW 14-05-2012)
Post by: The Void on 03 January, 2013, 18:21:59
Dave! You're back! :-) Your trick has taken over the world, y'know.
Title: Re: Half-Swirl Aeroplane Tutorial (Was: VOTW 14-05-2012)
Post by: Dave on 03 January, 2013, 18:26:48
Well I'm glad I have contributed something to the Kendama scene. :-) I'm off to check out what people have done with them :)
Title: Re: Half-Swirl Aeroplane Tutorial (Was: VOTW 14-05-2012)
Post by: BKA on 30 January, 2013, 11:25:50
Akimoto-san has upped the swirl-count!:
三回転螺旋飛行機 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA1sJyqrKCw#)
Title: Re: Half-Swirl Aeroplane Tutorial (Was: VOTW 14-05-2012)
Post by: Buddhaprice on 30 January, 2013, 20:45:49
Saw that video just the other day was fascinated by it ,and it really got me playing around with this trick. Thanks void for posting that video tutorial a while back it helped me understand a little bit better how the physics work behind this maneuver
Title: Re: Half-Swirl Aeroplane Tutorial (Was: VOTW 14-05-2012)
Post by: BKA on 03 February, 2013, 13:40:07
....aaaaaand 4!
4回転螺旋飛行機 4-Swirl Aeroplane (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt-qe_iMrig#)

Looks like this has reached the maximum number for the limit of the available string length. Unless some technique is developed whereby you can slide your finger within the loop to keep it swirling? Now there's a challenge for someone!
Title: Re: Half-Swirl Aeroplane Tutorial (Was: VOTW 14-05-2012)
Post by: LarsVegas on 03 February, 2013, 14:15:46
That is some incredibly well done slo-mo. You can really see every detail. Maybe that helps me with a single swirl.
Title: Re: Half-Swirl Aeroplane Tutorial (Was: VOTW 14-05-2012)
Post by: the milky oolong on 07 February, 2013, 21:16:40
Half-swirl heaven. How many great players have dedicated such time to divulging its secrets? Amazes me even more in slo-mo. A question for the Gods who can land it - does it feel as good as it looks?
Title: Re: Half-Swirl Aeroplane Tutorial (Was: VOTW 14-05-2012)
Post by: Kev on 11 May, 2014, 15:32:06
Glad I revisited this thread. Have been trying Half Swirl Aeroplanes this afternoon and was finding it tricky. Turns out I was doing the first wrap around the finger between the string and my body rather than on the far side away from me - much harder (/wrong) it turns out!

Although I've not quite got these down yet, it's definitely coming. I have been trying them in reverse too (so coming in under the finger rather than over) although with this direction it seems like the first wrap does go between the string and your body - would you agree?

Title: Re: Half-Swirl Aeroplane Tutorial (Was: VOTW 14-05-2012)
Post by: The Void on 11 May, 2014, 17:48:02
Glad I revisited this thread. Have been trying Half Swirl Aeroplanes this afternoon and was finding it tricky. Turns out I was doing the first wrap around the finger between the string and my body rather than on the far side away from me - much harder (/wrong) it turns out!

Although I've not quite got these down yet, it's definitely coming. I have been trying them in reverse too (so coming in under the finger rather than over) although with this direction it seems like the first wrap does go between the string and your body - would you agree?
[user]Kenta Sakamoto[/user] was asking me about the wrap-inside entry when we were in Japan. My reply was that the trick in the video is "Half-Swirl Aeroplane", but that this would be a variation, which I'd call "Outside Half-Swirl Aeroplane" (because the exit is outside, not inside).

So, no, a "Reverse Half-Swirl Aeroplane" would still wrap at the front on the entry. Sounds like you are describing a "Reverse Outside Half-Swirl Aeroplane".

Well done for getting them!
Title: Re: Half-Swirl Aeroplane Tutorial (Was: VOTW 14-05-2012)
Post by: Kev on 11 May, 2014, 18:39:31
Thanks!

I've only got the regular Half Swirl Aeroplane so far but I hit it a good few times today and am really starting to feel the flow of the trick.

I can see Reverse Outside Half-Swirl Aeroplane happening but have just not managed to land it yet - although it's close, then I'll have to work through some of Rich's variations in that great video of his!
Title: Re: Half-Swirl Aeroplane Tutorial (Was: VOTW 14-05-2012)
Post by: The Void on 11 May, 2014, 18:44:13
I think you mean Dave.
Title: Re: Half-Swirl Aeroplane Tutorial (Was: VOTW 14-05-2012)
Post by: Kev on 11 May, 2014, 18:51:07
Yep. That's the chap - apologies Dave!  :)
Title: Re: The ever popular "Today I..." thread
Post by: shalafi on 04 February, 2015, 15:52:13
And today I suddenly realized what I was doing wrong with swirls. I can do half-swirls easily, but swirls tend to mess up. Not anymore!

Tip: it is just about hitting your finger closer to the ken, not in the middle of the string.
Title: Re: Re: The ever popular "Today I..." thread
Post by: The Void on 04 February, 2015, 15:59:30
Gee, if only someone had told you.  ::)

Glad you've got them.
Title: Re: Re: The ever popular "Today I..." thread
Post by: shalafi on 04 February, 2015, 16:43:49
To me, slightly closer did not work, it has to be really close, like 80%-20%

That pic is from the tutorial on half-swirls, right? I don't remember any tutorial for full swirls.
Title: Re: Half-Swirl Aeroplane Tutorial (Was: VOTW 14-05-2012)
Post by: The Void on 04 February, 2015, 17:07:09
[Split and merged the topics]

I see. Well, in principle, it's exactly the same. Fair enough, you need more "travel length" for a Swirl than a Half-Swirl. But if you need 80-20 for a (1-)Swirl, you aren't going to have any more string-room to get a 2- or 3- Swirl. Akimoto-san managed a 4-Swirl Aeroplane on a normal (? ...maybe it was a 3-finger) string!

I'm much better at halves than Fulls, myself, so maybe Swirl King [user]Dimensions[/user] has some further tips?
Title: Re: Half-Swirl Aeroplane Tutorial (Was: VOTW 14-05-2012)
Post by: Dimensions on 04 February, 2015, 17:33:58
To be completely honest, swirls are a feel trick.
Once you've got a full one you have the knack for every time (the aeroplane afterwards however takes more practice).
Personally I always have my finger about 20-80 for a full, but also for halves and doubles and triples. But I've always found giving more power with your throw more help for multi-swirls than the string length
So I can't really give many more tips without seeing them in person, ask at the BKO if you make it!

-Rob
Title: Re: Half-Swirl Aeroplane Tutorial (Was: VOTW 14-05-2012)
Post by: shalafi on 04 February, 2015, 19:57:36
So, here's my experience.

I can do a half-swirl with maybe 60-40 of the string, no problem. In fact the first part of a half-swirl is now muscle memory for me, the aeroplane, well, that's another story...

For a full swirl I noticed that the ball was always catching up with the ken, making the catch quite hard. I tried giving more power to the ken throw and I managed to do a few, but I struggled a lot.

Then I noticed that people on videos did catch the string very close to the ken, I tried the 80-20 and voila! it worked flawlessly and now I can do it "almost" every time. I'm with Dimensions here, it's a feel trick.

I tried, and I can also do a half swirl with the 80-20 position. Haven't tried doubles yet, I guess that will be tricky.
Title: Re: Half-Swirl Aeroplane Tutorial (Was: VOTW 14-05-2012)
Post by: The Void on 24 September, 2015, 16:36:47
Today I watched a clip of Maruishi-san doing this trick. That made me smile. :)
Title: Re: Half-Swirl Aeroplane Tutorial (Was: VOTW 14-05-2012)
Post by: KenSan on 24 September, 2015, 22:40:42
I've been trying these over the last couple of days and am starting to make some good progress. I had tried them earlier in the year and it was pretty ugly! :o

I was originally having trouble just making a decent catch of the tama, and hitting my finger in the right place, but have now got that part quite clean. I am finding though that the ken is getting quite wild when trying to land the aeroplane part. I guess this could be down to my release of the ken not being clean.

I did however find that when I swapped to a heavier Kendama that the ken became a bit more controlled. Would anyone else agree that a heavier ken would be preferred for this sort of trick, or just more practice with whichever kendama I happen to be holding?
Title: Re: Half-Swirl Aeroplane Tutorial (Was: VOTW 14-05-2012)
Post by: The Void on 24 September, 2015, 23:19:08
Hard to know without seeing you try, but a clean release should be the key.
Title: Re: Half-Swirl Aeroplane Tutorial (Was: VOTW 14-05-2012)
Post by: Kev on 25 September, 2015, 07:44:26
Totally agree with Void, and would add that during the learning process for me there was definitely a period of time when the ken was very out of control virtually all the time (no doubt due to a poor release). I think there's a thread from someone else on here from a while back saying the same thing.

Practice is the answer, the wobble will go.

Personally I prefer a heavier ken and swirls are certainly easier for me when infuse one.

Good luck!
Title: Re: Half-Swirl Aeroplane Tutorial (Was: VOTW 14-05-2012)
Post by: KenSan on 25 September, 2015, 17:05:16
On further diagnosis and a few landings with my lighter ken, I noticed there were not enough knees involved (timing) and that when catching the tama, I was not moving my hand away sufficiently (there's a lot going on here actually) enough to avoid the ken coming back round, thus possibly clipping the string and flailing wildly.

Doesn't mean I've got, it but I'm getting it ;D
Title: Re: Half-Swirl Aeroplane Tutorial (Was: VOTW 14-05-2012)
Post by: The Void on 25 September, 2015, 17:18:53
Ah yep, string clips are fatal. You'll get it. :)
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