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Title: What's that trick called...
Post by: John on 03 August, 2011, 17:14:47
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What's that trick called... ...with the tama in the big cup (for arguments sake) and then you spin the whole kendama on the axis of the small cup 360 degrees horizontally on your finger? Been trying to nail that one recently, and describing it as the "finger spinny thing" to people..
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: BKA on 03 August, 2011, 17:27:59
ペンシルまわし    penshiru mawashi    Turntable

For the benefit of anyone with "the Japanese book", it's number 93, and the tricks on this page (http://www.kendama.co.uk/100tricks.html) correspond to the ones in there.
(http://www.naranja.co.jp/juggling/books/images/kendamanowaza100.jpg)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: John on 03 August, 2011, 17:55:42
Aahhh, that would make sense, thank you. I'd be most interested in seeing a copy of that book sometime, as I haven't got a clue what a fair few of them are (I'm particularly interested in #64, "Beckoning cat")...
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: BKA on 03 August, 2011, 18:01:02
Seeing as I've hotlinked their image, I guess it's only polite to point out that you can order it direct from Naranja (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.naranja.co.jp/juggling/&ei=yHY5TqzYMsWohAeXi9msAg&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CEAQ7gEwAQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dnaranja%2Bjuggling%2Bshop%26hl%3Den%26prmd%3Divns). ("Japanese Tools" is the section you want.)

Beckoning Cat is hard. :-)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: John on 03 August, 2011, 18:10:05
Thanks, I'll look into that.
Incidentally, it hadn't occured to me until now to type in the kanji name into YouTube, and lo and behold I found the top skills of emperor1063 doing the trick flawlessly (as usual)! Here it is, for those intrigued by the cat;
kendama 招き猫はねけん (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_KeLOSTyFQ#ws)
Yeah, won't be landing that one anytime soon.... :)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: AlexSmith on 03 August, 2011, 20:29:26
I have that book, a friend brought it back for me from Japan. I've lent it to another friend though... and he's had it for months. I really should pick it up
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Looby on 03 August, 2011, 20:35:20
John, PM me your address :)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: doakes on 28 November, 2011, 14:54:04
hey all, landed this trick recently and was wondering what it was called?

i;ve seen variations done by several people, more so in the franky morales edits

Franky Morales Kendama 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YIQ5AOt0Xk#)

(time=0.16)

its when he pops the ball into the big cup (oozara) and then he throws it all up, flips the kenadama and catch the ball again in the same cup/or the small one.



Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: BKA on 28 November, 2011, 15:37:32
Hi doakes, welcome to the forum. (Introduce yourself (http://www.kendama.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2.0.html)?)

If the ken does a complete 360˚ spin, that trick is called a Whirlwind. Franky does a half-whirlwind at 0.16 in that video. A version of that trick is in next year's BKO advanced tricklist. Check out the video on http://kendama.co.uk/bko2012.html (http://kendama.co.uk/bko2012.html)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: doakes on 28 November, 2011, 15:45:31
nice1, thanks dude

Hi doakes, welcome to the forum. (Introduce yourself (http://www.kendama.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2.0.html)?)

If the ken does a complete 360˚ spin, that trick is called a Whirlwind. Franky does a half-whirlwind at 0.16 in that video. A version of that trick is in next year's BKO advanced tricklist. Check out the video on http://kendama.co.uk/bko2012.html (http://kendama.co.uk/bko2012.html)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: SamB on 28 November, 2011, 17:36:55
What is the name of the one where you hold the string and whizz the ken and ball around? I may have heard "hurricane" at some point. Turner Thorne loves them (1:22):
Kendama Edit #3 - Turner Thorne (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a5ZEwlCdz4#ws)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: The Void on 28 November, 2011, 17:51:11
I think I may have also heard Hurricane (not sure where though), but I'm pretty sure K.Cima was calling that "Baton Twirl" in Munich. Makes sense.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Thorny on 28 November, 2011, 18:56:04
I've seen this called Baton Twirl before, Void. So I'd go with that.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Buddhaprice on 04 January, 2012, 15:55:06
okay im actually embarrassed I dont know this but what is it called when you land the ball in between the large and small cup and let it balance,the spike it its a beginner combo but I for the life of me find what it is called   
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: BKA on 04 January, 2012, 16:01:02
Do you mean slip-on-stick?
http://kendama.co.uk/galleries/JKA_Adv/pages/page_3.html (http://kendama.co.uk/galleries/JKA_Adv/pages/page_3.html)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Buddhaprice on 04 January, 2012, 17:16:38
that would be the one thank you
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: John on 07 January, 2012, 13:32:05
And I believe just catching the ball on the crosspiece is called a "frying pan" - at least that's what the Kengarden ladders have dubbed it before..
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: BKA on 07 January, 2012, 14:59:21
It's also been called a "Ken stop". I don't know if there's an official Japanese name.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: HansNickmans on 08 January, 2012, 16:36:09
What is a whirlwind called when the ken is spinned around its longest axis? I very much like this trick but I haven't found a name anywhere. Additionally, is there a name for the spin where the ken is flipped around both axes (Zack Yourd does this one a couple of times in the Kendama USA edit)? I keep calling it a "hardflip", taken from skateboarding..
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: BKA on 08 January, 2012, 17:21:04
What is a whirlwind called when the ken is spinned around its longest axis?
Tornado.
Quote
I very much like this trick but I haven't found a name anywhere. Additionally, is there a name for the spin where the ken is flipped around both axes (Zack Yourd does this one a couple of times in the Kendama USA edit)? I keep calling it a "hardflip", taken from skateboarding..
"Both"? Doesn't it have 3?!
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: HansNickmans on 09 January, 2012, 08:46:33
Yeah, I meant the two from whirlwind and tornado. The axis that goes through small and big cup's center is very hard to do a whirlwind-style flip (without if going around another axis), unless you're doing a turntable (which, in my opinion, is a different class of trick).

As for the tornado, isn't that also the name of the Turner Thorne-spacewalk-trick where the string is held in the middle? And I also found this trick on the BKA-site called Tornado base cup, which is again something else: Kendama けん玉 トルネード中皿 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crjodWtRqms#)



Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: BKA on 09 January, 2012, 14:45:34
Okay, so there is some inconsistency here. First of all, the "hold the string" trick is called "baton twirl" in Japan, but some American players are calling it Tornado.

The trick you posted above (from Kendama Revolutions, not from the BKA site!) contains the text: トルネード or "Torunēdo" which translates as "Tornado". But if we also look at Boarder's tricks on KR, we find these 3:
"Masakari hāfutorunēdo" Axe Half Tornado まさかりハーフトルネード (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpuAovIDqKU#)

"Hāfutorunēdo" [Stilt] Half Tornado ハーフトルネード (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ4U6LjDC7o#)

"Furutorunēdo" [Stilt] Full Tornado フルトルネード (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRdLmQEz4rE#) , all of which use the same Japanese characters for Tornado.

I think maybe K.Cima will have to re-name his trick!!

Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: BKA on 09 January, 2012, 17:57:14
...is there a name for the spin where the ken is flipped around both axes...
 I meant the two from whirlwind and tornado.
It might depend on the trick.
In this post (http://www.kendama.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,119.msg723.html#msg723), Joe describes a Jumping stick with the extra axis of rotation, which Void called (http://www.kendama.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,119.msg733.html#msg733) a Tornado Jumping Stick, which seems to fit, but perhaps his alternative "Corkscrew..." suggestion could work in other places.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: AverieLee on 17 January, 2012, 22:34:33
You guys do know the Skateboard trick TreFlip aka 360 Flip what would be the name on the Ken. Everytime I say 360 kenflip people think of just a basic kenflip XD.
Me and my friend just came up wit h a name for the mean time. Kreflip lol very corny but I dig it.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: The Void on 18 January, 2012, 13:14:47
[Topics merged]
Not being a skater, I'm afraid I don't know the skateboard trick. But I suspect that it might be what Hans was asking about in this post (http://www.kendama.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,97.msg2239.html#msg2239), so Tornado Whirlwind?
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: steffibearpaw on 23 January, 2012, 19:54:48
Hi everybody,please can you help me?
How is the trick #8 on the EKO beginners trick list called and where can i get a gif of it ?
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: The Void on 23 January, 2012, 22:31:03
Around The Village
It's in the video on http://kendama.co.uk/EKO2011.html (http://kendama.co.uk/EKO2011.html)
I'm not aware of a gif of it.

Edit: Realised you might not have been talking about the 2011 list. Past events still have their event pages up, with videos embedded. Follow the links on http://kendama.co.uk/competition.html (http://kendama.co.uk/competition.html) (scroll down).
Edit2: EKO 2010 rules page link was a bit lost: http://kendama.co.uk/EKC2010.html (http://kendama.co.uk/EKC2010.html)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: steffibearpaw on 23 January, 2012, 23:17:47
Thank you Void, i got it!
Now it's my turn to work on it... this evening i even smashed some equipment trying to turn the Kendama....  :)...little bit tricky to hold the Dama on the Ken while turning around it.... but I'm very ambitious  8)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Dadooh on 05 March, 2012, 13:54:06
Hi everyone. I want to know how is called the trick at 00'19'' in this video. Thanks!
The Kengarden Presents - Wiens / Marshall in Tennessee (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9AOhSBN378#ws)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: BKA on 05 March, 2012, 14:07:16
Sometimes it's hard to distinguish between a name and a description. You could describe that as "Finger-Wrap Swing In > Unwrap Swing In". Any other ideas, people?
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Dadooh on 06 March, 2012, 06:26:53
Sometimes it's hard to distinguish between a name and a description. You could describe that as "Finger-Wrap Swing In > Unwrap Swing In". Any other ideas, people?

It's ok for me. I like this description, it's enough. Thanks a lot. This tread is very helpful.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: FilthyTown on 18 March, 2012, 20:28:07
Times like these I really wish I had a camera...

Basically I have been experimenting with lunar/somersaults variations when pushing/pulling the tama differently.

I have been doing one in particular where you start from a lunar and pull the tama towards you quick and to the right just a tiny bit...(right handed)

This motion has been flipping the ken 180 degree vertical/spinning the ken 180 tornado<? to where the big cup lands perfectly into inward lunar position almost everytime after a little practice.

Now I am curious what is this trick called when the ken flips like that?  Skateboards have a trick similar called a varial flip for a better explanation...

Unfortunately I'm not good with inwards and can't balance it out proper just yet.  Soon...I hope. lol
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: The Void on 18 March, 2012, 22:21:35
I just watched a skateboard video to find out what a varial was. It looks like what I imagined your description looked like, but perhaps with an extra rotation in one axis. But I'm not sure.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: SamB on 19 March, 2012, 07:55:52
I think I get it. To use aeroplane terminology a varial flip is a 360 degree roll with 180 degree yaw (kickflip-pop shuvit). I have no idea what that translates to in kendama terms especially ending in an inwads lunar. Is it starting from the string hook or an aeroplane start? I might give it a go.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Thorny on 19 March, 2012, 09:54:49
(Slightly different) but I've once managed a Lunar Shuvit many moons ago!
Start of with an inward lunar and an odd, and difficult to explain, flick of the wrist and it popped up and around to lunar without any spinning around it's other axis.

If you're unsure, watch Oase Edit 5 again and take note of him doing it somewhere in the second half!
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: FilthyTown on 19 March, 2012, 13:37:13
I saw that lunar shuv-it in the Oase edit, so crazy!  Props on landing one of those Thorny!  I don't even know where to begin with that one...haha

I guess a skateboard varial isn't very accurate since the ken spins only 180 and a skateboard does a full 360 spin.

Imagine a person doing an aerial twist and their feet are the bug cup...

Aerial Twist (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXp7YTBuTnE#)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: FilthyTown on 19 March, 2012, 19:11:55
Ah ha.  In skateboarding it is called a hardflip.  Sorry this was so confusing.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Kernow Kendama on 18 June, 2012, 00:34:52
I don't know if this is a new trick or not!? My friend Wez (in the video) came up with the idea. None of us has ever seen it done before, so thought i'd post it and find out.
Maybe it does exist, if so does anyone know what it's called? We were calling it the Hurri-plane like hurricane as in the old Airplane and the storm, we thought as the ken was spinning and similar to Airplane it kind of fitted. As you can tell at the end we were quite excited when he landed it ;D
Kendama, New Trick!? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrlbwcTNvJ8#)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: The Void on 18 June, 2012, 11:49:51
Hi,

Well done Wez, but I'm afraid it's not a new trick. You'll find that on page 47 of Knees (http://kendama.co.uk/books.html), or inside KendamApp (http://kendama.co.uk/app.html). It's called The Drill.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Kernow Kendama on 18 June, 2012, 16:47:11
Awwwww.

Oh well, We had a class time thinking we'd invented it ;)

Cheers Void
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: TheKendamaSensation on 09 September, 2012, 23:11:46
No. It's not Beckoning Cat that he's talking about. I'm not sure what it's called, but I've seen it on videos. I think its that one where the ball is on the big cup (Beckoning Cat starts on Spike.) You put your index finger on the small cup, the ball is still on the big cup. Then ever finger but your index finger leaves the ken. Then the ken rotates 360 degrees around you index finger. Then after it rotates, you put all your fingers back on to catch it.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: BKA on 09 September, 2012, 23:21:43
No. It's not Beckoning Cat that he's talking about. I'm not sure what it's called, but I've seen it on videos. I think its that one where the ball is on the big cup (Beckoning Cat starts on Spike.) You put your index finger on the small cup, the ball is still on the big cup. Then ever finger but your index finger leaves the ken. Then the ken rotates 360 degrees around you index finger. Then after it rotates, you put all your fingers back on to catch it.
You are describing penshiru mawashi/Turntable.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: TheKendamaSensation on 10 September, 2012, 00:22:33
Thank you.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: The Void on 10 September, 2012, 14:39:40
Wanna try this version?
両手ペンシル回し (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3vOLdjuTlk#)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: TheKendamaSensation on 10 September, 2012, 22:26:51
Maybe in 5 years.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Bad Wolf on 05 November, 2012, 22:23:13
I see it done often but have no idea what it is called. I describe it as Inward-Mini suicide. As the name suggests its mini suicide starting with tama grip, and thrown so that the ken travels in between your hand and your body.

Can anyone clarify for my please?
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: The Void on 05 November, 2012, 22:38:25
Sounds right, although I'm not sure if I'm missing some elements of the trick you're referring to. If it is only... Start from ball grip, with ken hanging, swing the ken up and in towards you, then release the ball and catch the ken, then yes.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Bad Wolf on 06 November, 2012, 01:51:24
Perfect! Thanks Void. Usually I would just do an aeroplane catch but I've recently managed to do fast hand spikes.

My goal now is to fast hand whirlwind spike ;)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: the milky oolong on 14 December, 2012, 11:24:32
Is there a name for scoop-style tricks where the tama is carried using centrifugal force alone (for example, tama starting in base cup, taken in a sweeping circle across the body, ending in same position only now 'penguin' style)? Theoretically the same as making a glass tumbler do a flip without the water coming out, only in kendama terms.

Any ideas?

Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: BKA on 14 December, 2012, 12:04:34
遠心力/Enshinryoku/Centrifugal force is the Japanese name for the Big Cup version[1]. (Perhaps "Centrifuge" would work as a quicker-to-say name.)
 1. #7 on http://kendama.co.uk/100tricks.html (http://kendama.co.uk/100tricks.html)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: mimlemium on 17 December, 2012, 20:39:15
Hello I need your help to name that trick i just did and recorded ;) Hope you enjoy it!
Sztuczka (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgjOzvPqFE0#)
Btw. I'm from Poland :)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: BKA on 17 December, 2012, 22:18:54
Hello, welcome to the forum.
Your trick is:
Turntable>Whirlwind>Turntable>Spike.

Nice combination!
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: mimlemium on 17 December, 2012, 22:47:18
Hello! I'm so glad that I can be a part of this forum. Thanks for help a lot. Soon I will upload more of mine videos :)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: the milky oolong on 20 February, 2013, 16:40:06
Have accidentally just started doing a rather odd Big Cup (sara grip?) Swap trick where the ken is caught á la Rotor Blade/UFO, though it is only rotating 180 degrees. I uploaded a youtube video, but my webcam is so terrible I have to set it at the lowest resolution just to be able to demonstrate what I mean. Anyone any ideas what you would call it?

Trick? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWLzab1-Exg#)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: BKA on 20 February, 2013, 16:55:29
Since you are finishing with an Aeroplane catch, and since your hand switched from Ken to Ball, we'd go for
Fast Hand Aeroplane.
Or perhaps
Big Cup>Fast Hand Aeroplane or Big Cup>Aeroplane.
Either of those last two would probably get the message across to someone who wanted to copy what you'd done without having seen it.

Nicely done, btw. :) Now.... go and work out how you can do the same trick frontstyle! (Straight in front of you instead of sideways to your body.)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: the milky oolong on 20 February, 2013, 17:16:25
Thanks for the help!

I've been messing around with it for some time and there's something satisfying about it, especially when it's caught exactly horizontally. If I had a better way of recording it I'd show some variations, i.e. with Stopover, has a real flow it it, but the quality is too bad. For me it's an Oolongated Rotor, but I doubt the BKA will go for that  ;)

As for the frontal, that's a good idea, am giving it a go right now.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: SamB on 20 February, 2013, 18:55:56
Ooh I've been trying something similar - Around the aeroplane - Big cup -> aeroplane -> Small cup Aeroplane -> Base cup -> Aeroplane
It's trickier than I thought it would be.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Cliffdama on 21 February, 2013, 18:42:08
Don't know if there is a name for it.

I'm holding my ken upside down at the base cup. Pull de ball up. Land it on the side of the small cup and against the ken. Next i trow it up the base cup and then spike. Did it twice in a row. I like it! If it's not clear i try to post a video of it :)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: BKA on 21 February, 2013, 18:46:21
Sounds like Bat>Base Cup>(Backhand?) Spike. Don't think there's a specific name for that combo.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Kens on 02 March, 2013, 19:10:14
Kendama Edit 4 - William Penniman - Sweets Kendamas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riIZniqBz1k#ws)

The trick he does from 1:25 - 1:28, are those also called spacewalks or is there another name for it. I've always been confused about it.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: BKA on 02 March, 2013, 19:13:52
Moon Circle. (Or Suicide Swing In).
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Kens on 05 March, 2013, 02:01:04
Sweets Summer Special - 2012 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8DeH5iNkSg#ws)

The trick at 2:08. I'm confused at what that is called.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: br4d24 on 05 March, 2013, 02:11:07
The closest trick i know to that is slip grip special. But that is in a different grip style than what he is doing it in.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: BKA on 05 March, 2013, 11:57:39
(Backhand) Clifftop.
Kens, can we gently remind you of:
  • What's that trick called....?
If you're not sure of the name of a trick, check out the JKA gifs of the Kyu and Dan tricks via this page at the BKA (http://kendama.co.uk/tricks.html). Also watch all the BKA tricklist videos (http://juggling.tv/search.php?search_id=tricklist+kendama&search_type=videos), and [noembed]Kendama School (http://juggling.tv/2142)[/noembed].
Void and Donald's books (http://kendama.co.uk/books.html) are also great sources for trick names, in English and Japanese, and are recommended (essential?!) reading. If you're still stuck after all that, then make a post in this thread (http://www.kendama.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,97.0.html).
Those vids would have answered your last two questions. :-)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: JamesFM on 28 March, 2013, 07:14:20
What is this trick called??? (or perhaps it 's original?)

I was playing around with "yoyo style" tricks today and came up with this.
I was basically trying to do a 5A Windmill on a kendama.. Spiking the ball instead of landing a trapeze.

It is kind of like a Moon Circle for beginners.

Kendama Trick (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIEX8xIyKWQ#ws)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: HansNickmans on 28 March, 2013, 07:52:11
First off, that looks pretty awesome!

Next, I think you may have stumbled upon something 'new' here. It kinda looks like a 'one rotation' version of the propeller from Guy Heathcote (see 00:40 of British Kendama Association in Newbury (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvNUAX9I4go#ws)), but with a swing-in exit.

From another perspective it's a swirl without actually wrapping the string around your finger. Since you have a half swirl, this would be a 'zero swirl' of some kind :-)

Looks great, and not every trick needs to have a name. This yo-yo/kendama crossover seems to have some great tricks, keep researching like this!
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: JamesFM on 28 March, 2013, 08:02:40
First off, that looks pretty awesome!

Next, I think you may have stumbled upon something 'new' here. It kinda looks like a 'one rotation' version of the propeller from Guy Heathcote, but with a swing-in exit.

From another perspective it's a swirl without actually wrapping the string around your finger. Since you have a half swirl, this would be a 'zero swirl' of some kind :-)

Looks great, and not every trick needs to have a name. This yo-yo/kendama crossover seems to have some great tricks, keep researching like this!

Thanks Hans.. I was hoping this was a new trick!  ;D

Ill need more confirmation of course, but my hopes are high.

I have been thinking of a name all evening. lol

So far I'm liking, "Hurricane"... I'm open to suggestions though if this goes through.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Cliffdama on 28 March, 2013, 10:35:49
First off, that looks pretty awesome!

Next, I think you may have stumbled upon something 'new' here. It kinda looks like a 'one rotation' version of the propeller from Guy Heathcote, but with a swing-in exit.

From another perspective it's a swirl without actually wrapping the string around your finger. Since you have a half swirl, this would be a 'zero swirl' of some kind :-)

Looks great, and not every trick needs to have a name. This yo-yo/kendama crossover seems to have some great tricks, keep researching like this!

Thanks Hans.. I was hoping this was a new trick!  ;D

Ill need more confirmation of course, but my hopes are high.

I have been thinking of a name all evening. lol

So far I'm liking, "Hurricane"... I'm open to suggestions though if this goes through.


Wow james that looks great! Don't really get how you di it but it looks good!
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: SamB on 28 March, 2013, 11:24:00
That is a good looking trick. It may be new but maybe someone else has done it in the middle of some mad string combo (seems similar to Yannck Brunner's style).
Either way as it's own trick it doesn't have a name. I think "reverse - zero-swirl" would be the most descriptive and "zero-swirl" sounds pretty cool to me.
I think hurricane has been used for something else but again I'm not sure.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: HansNickmans on 28 March, 2013, 11:51:11
I also thought Hurricane was already taken, but I looked around and didn't find anything. There is a whirlwind, tornado and typhoon, but hurricane has not been used for a trick.

Naming a trick is mostly seeing which name sticks with the majority of players. Like 'tornado' being used for 'baton twirling' in the US, or a 'turntable' being called a 'zack yourd'... The same as 'stilt' is more commonly used than the literal translation of 'bamboo horse', 'ufo' instead of 'rotor blade', the 'bat' or 'underbird'-choice, 'small cup bird' or 'nightingale',...

Since this tricks falls (for me that is) within the swirl-category of tricks, I would go for zero-swirl. You could try getting your name in there and go for 'Jamespin', which has a nice ring to it I guess :-)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: The Void on 28 March, 2013, 11:52:52
Hi James,
Well done for discovering your own trick. It has definitely been done before... by me! (Not on video tho'). I usually do it to finish on the Base Cup (easier!), but I have done it to Spike once or twice. I have a strong suspicion that I picked it up from either Donald, Guy or someone else though. As to a name... Hurricane has been used before, I'm certain, although searching the forum for that gives nothing. Google translate 'Hurricane' into Japanese, and you get all these options:   
ハリケーン
hurricane
台風
typhoon, hurricane
暴風
storm, windstorm, hurricane, gale
疾風
gale, blast, hurricane, squall, storm, gust
颶風
hurricane, tornado, typhoon
荒れ
storm, tempest, windstorm, blizzard, hailstorm, hurricane

Typhoon has definitely been used before (search the forum), so best to stay away from that lot to avoid confusion, I think. (There's Whirlwind too, of course!)

I don't think it can be classed as a Swirl, since it doesn't have the wrap, and I can think of a Swirl variation that could sensibly be called a Zero-Swirl...

I think it is most similar to Guy's propellor, although the spin is in the opposite direction. (Think of the driving finger making a small circle: In Guy's version the finger comes up on the inside and down on the outside. Yours (If you extended the motion) is the opposite.) So it could be something like "Micro Propellor" or "1-Propellor", but then there's the exit to consider.

If we're talking about just the "finger pushing the string" part of the trick, then it could also be called a "Forced..." or "Driven..." something, perhaps? I think this might be the smart way to go, since there are obviously going to be a lot of different possible exits.

So how about "Forced Swing In" or "Driven Swing In"? What do you think?
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: HansNickmans on 28 March, 2013, 11:56:08
Void, I'm intrigued by what your zero-swirl variation would be like. I would like to see that!
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: The Void on 28 March, 2013, 11:57:13
Since this tricks falls (for me that is) within the swirl-category of tricks, I would go for zero-swirl.
I'll try and do a quick shot of what I envisage as a Zero-Swirl Aeroplane soon.
Quote
You could try getting your name in there and go for 'Jamespin', which has a nice ring to it I guess :-)
ALWAYS be extremely wary of naming a trick after yourself. Can you ever be sure that in 38+ years of Japanese kendama history, no-one else got there first? :-)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: The Void on 28 March, 2013, 13:17:55
Okay, here you go.
[noembed]http://juggling.tv/12972?pin=5151[/noembed]
The idea is to release the ken a little early, then very quickly reach under the other hand to grab the ball before it has even started to Swirl. Exit as per normal to an Aeroplane. No swirl = "0-Swirl Aeroplane"! I wasn't quite quick enough in this video, so you might call that one a Quarter-Swirl Aeroplane, but I think the concept holds.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: JamesFM on 28 March, 2013, 19:53:58
Cool Stuff. Thanks for the info guys.

The trick is a direct adaptation of a free hand yoyo trick called, "Windmill".
Although the name isn't tough sounding, I think it is the right choice.

Here is what a free hand windmill looks like:
http://youtu.be/0o3anZdp0Xw (http://youtu.be/0o3anZdp0Xw)

Windmill in Japanese is: Kazaguruma かざぐるあま。

What do you guys think?

Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: The Void on 28 March, 2013, 21:06:47
Windmill can also be written as 風車, and a search on kendama.asia throws up a few tricks that use that in their name.... However, they all seem to be variations on what we call Gunslinger or Whirlwind (Pesky inconsistency!). So I suppose we can use Windmill.
So then I'd call your trick Windmill Swing In.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: JamesFM on 28 March, 2013, 21:54:07
So then I'd call your trick Windmill Swing In.

Sounds perfect.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: The Void on 02 April, 2013, 17:52:10
Well done for discovering your own trick. It has definitely been done before... by me! (Not on video tho'). I usually do it to finish on the Base Cup (easier!), but I have done it to Spike once or twice.
I was having a quick play with this trick last night, and I now think that I was wrong, and I have only ever done it to Base Cup. So, sorry for making a false claim, and yeah, Windmill Swing In is your trick, as far as I know, James.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: br4d24 on 03 April, 2013, 05:41:42
BKA Forum - Today I... Edit #2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NRsvCHEZdA#ws)

Whats the last two tricks called?
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: BKA on 03 April, 2013, 09:45:29
It has been mentioned somewhere before, a while ago, but sometimes it makes more sense to "name" a trick by using descriptive elements. So
Pinwheel 1-Turn Aeroplane (or is it 1-Turn Pinwheel Aeroplane?)
&
Around The Triangle (with reverse swing exit)
...seem like the best candidates.

Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: BKA on 03 April, 2013, 10:10:20
^
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7000th post on the forum. Coo.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: br4d24 on 04 April, 2013, 19:42:58
Thanks! Ive always wanted to know the name of them!
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: NJKendama on 28 May, 2013, 03:57:39
I'm not sure what it's called, but it's been gaining tons of popularity. It's like a horizontal spinning spacewalk of sorts, if that makes any sense. Here's a video for the trick: Kendama Co - Shop Edit #3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLT6rIBFEao#ws) It happens at about 1:10 with the aluminum kendama. Anyone know what it's called or how you do it? Thanks! And sorry if I did something wrong, this is my first ever post on here.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: BKA on 28 May, 2013, 10:25:38
Hi NJ, welcome to the forum.

That trick is called a Rotary Swing. It's pretty simple, but visually very effective. Pinch the string in the middle as you swing the ball out, then push the ken so that it matches the rotational speed of the ball.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: NJKendama on 29 May, 2013, 22:57:10
Thanks! I think I'm getting the hang of it.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: NJKendama on 25 June, 2013, 02:25:23
This trick looks amazing, but I have no idea how to do it. I've tried it but with no success. Here it is, it happens at 2:01 in this video:
RodDama - Thursday Edit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psf4KmQ8DIc#ws)
He spins the ken around his finger with the tama on big cup the entire way through. Any ideas on how to land it? Thanks!
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: The Void on 25 June, 2013, 10:07:04
Since you've posted that in the What's That Called thread, I'll say it's a
Wrapped Big Cup Whirlpool-> Swap Hand Moon Landing

As to how to do it, I'll answer that where you asked it in in the video's thread here: http://www.kendama.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1201.msg8990.html#msg8990 (http://www.kendama.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1201.msg8990.html#msg8990)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Misterwhang on 27 June, 2013, 17:48:31
What is the trick called where you start out with doing an airplane then after landing it you flick the ken straight up (spike stays facing down), and while it travels up it spins like a helicopter or drill and then comes back down and lands right back in the tama hole
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Misterwhang on 27 June, 2013, 17:52:25
Jeez I just found it in a past post, my fault
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: BKA on 27 June, 2013, 17:53:13
Drill, as seen in KendamApp and Knees.
Oh, you found it... :-)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Misterwhang on 02 July, 2013, 17:26:09
I just thought up this trick a few weeks ago and finally landed it on camera! I wanted to know if this trick has a specific name!

New Kendama Trick (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THN8VXQFju4#ws)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: The Void on 02 July, 2013, 18:06:31
Nice!
I'd say it's a "combination" rather than a "trick", so I'd call it...
Thumb Trap -> 1-Turn Aeroplane
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: SamKendama on 10 July, 2013, 16:38:00
Hello Sam here and well i was wondering what this trick is called its like after you do the turner thorne handspin thing/hurricane/baton twirl well.. theres a lot of names lets forget about that... the trick is when you do the baton twirl thingy you throw the ken and ball up then when its coming down you hit the string with your hand and it goes back up in the air then you grab it and do something like a spike or an airplane or like a lunar landing

please help me out on this one i tried to explain it as best as i can!

-Sam
i also have a question.. is the AlexSmith thats registered on this forum the kendamausa pro alex smith? [user]AlexSmith[/user]
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: BKA on 10 July, 2013, 16:39:42
1) String Bounce

2) Yes
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: SamKendama on 10 July, 2013, 17:47:21
thanks lol


Alex smith i just bought another one of your pro models :)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: SamKendama on 10 July, 2013, 17:48:52
oh and how do you string bounce? is there a tutorial for this or something anywhere?
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Tetsuya Takahashi on 11 August, 2013, 00:09:51
Haven't seen one so far. It would be nice to know how to do that, all I've gotten so far is a jacked up ozora and tk while trying to get the trick down :-[ :(
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: The Void on 11 August, 2013, 12:57:54
[user]SamKendama[/user]/[user]Tetsuya Takahashi[/user]:
http://www.kendama.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1288.0.html (http://www.kendama.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1288.0.html)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Dimensions on 30 August, 2013, 11:19:59
I still can't believe I don't know the name of this trick
What's that trick called when you catch it between the big and small cup, on the cross piece, if you still don't know what I mean...
It's the first trick on around the cosmos / the first section of slip on stick (before the spike)
Thanks
Rob
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: BKA on 30 August, 2013, 12:40:16
We're not sure of the trick's Japanese name, indeed, it might not have one, but it's been known variously in English as
Side-spike
Frying Pan
Spike Stall
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: the milky oolong on 14 December, 2013, 16:51:40
Not sure if it's a trick or a line:

Bird over the Valley from candle grip, a kind of Bat over the Valley, or a Jack-jumps-over-the-Candlestick.

Finally nailed it. Coffee and cake are in order.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Dimensions on 14 December, 2013, 16:56:09
Inverse Monkey's chair to Monkey's chair (I think)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: The Void on 14 December, 2013, 16:57:19
Ah, so you don't have KendamApp or Spike then? ^_^ Everest. Well done, it's a toughee.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Dimensions on 14 December, 2013, 17:16:30
I thought Everest had a candle base cup catch in it?
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: the milky oolong on 14 December, 2013, 17:18:58
Would make more sense. I thought about that as a variant to the trick I've been trying. Either way, I do indeed feel a bit Tenzing Norgay right about now.

 :D
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: BKA on 14 December, 2013, 17:19:19
So, probably
Small Monkey's Chair > Big Monkey's Chair
then.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: the milky oolong on 15 December, 2013, 21:17:07
Fair enough. I've not had time to try Everest proper yet but it seems to me miles easier than the 'over-the-valleying' the Big Cup. Thanks for the translation into Kendamaspeak.

J
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: axel.aas.12 on 29 December, 2013, 01:01:55
this sequence: spike -> big cup -> spike -> small cup -> spike -> base cup -> spike./
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: the milky oolong on 29 December, 2013, 02:57:07
This is basically Around the Cosmos without the initial crosspiece landing (land as for Slip-on Stick), check out [user]Void[/user] doing it multiple times here:

Around The Cosmos - Consecutive connected run - juggling videos hosted @ Juggling.tv (http://juggling.tv/12746#id=http://juggling.tv/nuevo/econfig.php?key=7c38b7209a6106d66cc8)

Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: BKA on 29 December, 2013, 14:02:42
Perhaps better expressed as
Spike -> Around Europe
?
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: the milky oolong on 29 December, 2013, 15:03:31
I yield, sir. Still, was good to see some old Void footage, no?  :P
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: andrewyip on 04 January, 2014, 00:12:22
what is the name of the trick when you are on lunar and you spin the ball and go on inward lunar? help please!!! want to know
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: andrewyip on 04 January, 2014, 00:13:08
basecup/candlestick spin?
is the the name of the trick? im not sure! saw it in kendama usa edits but not sure
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: HansNickmans on 04 January, 2014, 11:39:10
what is the name of the trick when you are on lunar and you spin the ball and go on inward lunar? help please!!! want to know
If I am correct, that is a 'Lunar Rover'. Don't know who named it, but it's in 'Click'. There are different variations based on whether the ken does a half or a full turn, but I think the name stays the same.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: BKA on 04 January, 2014, 11:55:46
basecup/candlestick spin?
is the the name of the trick? im not sure! saw it in kendama usa edits but not sure
Video link/time?
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: andrewyip on 02 February, 2014, 21:28:17
hey guys. i noticed and saw these super cool tricks that were done when doing a spacwalk. and i wanted to know what the names were and how to do it. for example in alex ramos folken kendama edit, i saw that he was using his left hand and was holding the ball (tama) and was like sliding it off of his hand and catching the ball (tama) still. btw he is righthanded. sorry if i confused you guys with this. but i really thought this was a cool trick and wanted to learn it. anyway thanks!  :D
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: BKA on 03 February, 2014, 13:49:55
Video link/time?
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: andrewyip on 06 February, 2014, 05:54:39
This is Kendama. Alex Ramos Kendama USA Pro Contest Round 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2ZGAD7G3BM#ws)

2:19-2:21
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: BKA on 06 February, 2014, 12:43:50
Those would be (side-on) Scrambles.
See #4, "Scramble Aeroplane" here けん玉フェスタ2013 世界けん玉選手権①  kendama festa 2013 Ⅷ "wkc" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwW4p-dxqYg#ws)

To do them, start as you would for an Aeroplane, then release the tama when the ken is at the bottom, and gently push back against the string with the heel of your hand. The weight and momentum of the ken should make the kendama spin around your hand. Then it's up to you to get the timing of the catch right.

Good luck.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: andrewyip on 07 February, 2014, 07:27:10
thanks a lot! i got this trick my second try after dropping it on the ground :P lol. but what is this move that turner throne is doing? its super cool and i was wondering. it was from 4:00- 4:03

Colin Sander Edit 8 - The Kendama USA Pro Models (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuJ1tbWJ0mQ#ws)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: BKA on 07 February, 2014, 07:30:39
I think we'd just call them Hand Exchanges.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: andrewyip on 07 February, 2014, 22:58:14
Colin Sander Edit 8 - The Kendama USA Pro Models (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuJ1tbWJ0mQ#ws)

what is the name of the trick that turner throne is doing? i know its some sort of spacwalk but what is he doing with his left hand? tips? :-*
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Kicking Orphans on 10 February, 2014, 00:17:24
On the video kendama Edmonton mini edit 13 at 3:40 the guy does spinning thing using both hands. Does that trick have a name and is there a tutorial on it?




http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g298XVER9iM (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g298XVER9iM)



Burger
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: BKA on 10 February, 2014, 03:57:24
It's a bit like the diabolo trick "S-fan", so we've been calling it that. Not sure if it has another name or not. Don't know of a tutorial.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Confound on 25 March, 2014, 07:34:09
Hi, this is my first post. I'd like to thank everyone for the help, every time I needed advice I found it here. But now onto my question.. What is the name of the trick I do in the video? the one where I do a half whirlwind and land in base cup. Or go from base cup to big cup by letting go. I though suicide but that doesn't seem right. Thanks for the help

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kDIIV0tIGDg (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kDIIV0tIGDg)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Confound on 25 March, 2014, 08:12:38
Just found the fast throw thread... Is that it?
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: BKA on 25 March, 2014, 10:16:21
Hi Confound,
Welcome to the forum. We're glad you've found it to be a useful resource. :)
So... there are a lot of tricks in that video, ... not sure which one you mean exactly. Wanna give us a time stamp? There are a lot of (half) whirlwind-ish tricks in there, some might be called "grip changes"... not sure!
Oh, and we're merging this thread into the "What's that trick called" thread.....
Cheers!
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Confound on 25 March, 2014, 18:48:02
Thank you!! And I do it at 0:33 and a slightly different one at 59. I could see a grip change, or fast throw being it. Thanks again!
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: BKA on 25 March, 2014, 20:49:39
Hmmmm.... I guess it could be a Fast Hand move, but those don't traditionally involve a grip change on the same piece of the kendama, IYSWIM. I think maybe it should be
e.g. Base Cup > ([Fast] Grip change, Ken grip to Sara grip) Small Cup
or just
Base Cup > Sara grip Small Cup
Bit of an awkward name, but as has been said elsewhere, sometimes a "description" serves the purpose better than a "name".
Cheers.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Confound on 30 March, 2014, 10:27:22
What would the name be for the trick at 1:34? If there isn't I'd call it volleying. I'm sure it has a name though lol.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kDIIV0tIGDg (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kDIIV0tIGDg)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: BKA on 30 March, 2014, 14:01:41
Well, if you'd landed it in a cup to finish, it would be a Tapback. Or a QuadTapback.
As it is, it's called a "miss".  ;-P
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Confound on 30 March, 2014, 20:32:32
Lol thanks! I'll work on it!
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: panagiotis bastas on 14 April, 2014, 14:03:54
Does anyone know how ye say this trick;
balances the ball on one of the CUPS and after you spin it on your finger on the other cup?
i want to learn it.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: BKA on 14 April, 2014, 14:25:27
Turntable. Have a search of the forum for that. :)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: panagiotis bastas on 14 April, 2014, 14:29:09
 ;) thanks dud
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: panagiotis bastas on 14 April, 2014, 14:34:56
i search for a video, but i diden't find nothing.!
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: the milky oolong on 21 May, 2014, 16:45:28
Came up with a little run today and came across this trick:

As Candle Balance but with fingertip flat on the kozara rim where a Small Bird would land, achieving equilibrium.

Anyone seen this before? If not, want to?
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Kev on 21 May, 2014, 18:20:49
If I'm understanding you correctly then yes I have seen that before, have a look at this Jake Wiens video at around 3:33.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoZ69Vrrh9A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoZ69Vrrh9A)

Lovely little trick - nice switching between the cups too.

Is this what you mean?
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: the milky oolong on 21 May, 2014, 18:41:07
Hi Kev,

Unfortunately living in Germany means I can't watch many YouTube videos because of their music content licensing not extending to mainland Europe (bah!), so I can't see what you're referring to. Thanks for the help all the same! Yeah, nice little trick, somehow more difficult to flip into Lighthouse from, despite the increased surface area - the ken is at a serious tilt during the balance, and you have to push down with the right force or else you push the ken up out from under the tama, which is tilting off towards you too. Rewarding, though! 
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Kev on 21 May, 2014, 19:53:42
Hmm, I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing. There's no 'serious tilt' in what I'm suggesting.

I've just taken a picture of me doing the balance (in the video Jake throws from this position to the identical balance on the other cup so effectively the fingers move to the other side of the spike).

(http://s17.postimg.org/e2cheg2nz/Side_Spike_Candle.png) (http://postimage.org/)
 (http://postimage.org/)

Is this what you meant or are you talking about something different?

Maybe show us if you have video / photo available?

EDIT: Just realised you said the balance was on the rim, so obviously we are talking different tricks. I'd like to see it!
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: the milky oolong on 21 May, 2014, 21:07:47
No problem (the trick after the Swing to Monkey's Chair):

http://youtu.be/sAj2a1SQdGI (http://youtu.be/sAj2a1SQdGI)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Kev on 21 May, 2014, 21:24:59
Thanks [user]milky oolong[/user] sadly it says video set to private (for me at least!).

Maybe you need to tweak something?
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: the milky oolong on 21 May, 2014, 21:29:38
Tweak?
http://youtu.be/sAj2a1SQdGI (http://youtu.be/sAj2a1SQdGI)

The balance is on the lip of the small cup, no finger touching the spike, and no part of the finger in the hollow between spike and small cup lip. Try to balance it yourself using the lip, you'll see that it's not even possible to edge nearer the spike as the balance tips instantly too much towards you. Too much compensation in the opposite direction means you'll drop your kendama off the balcony.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Kev on 22 May, 2014, 08:38:53
Yep, working now.

That's a great trick, [user]milky oolong[/user] I'll be trying that later.

Thanks for the video!



Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: quadraptor on 31 May, 2014, 00:48:30
So...I don't know if there's a name for this trick or not, thought I'd just ask and see if anyone had a clue.  It's a beginner trick but does take a few tries to balance it right.  I just took a couple of pictures because I honestly have no idea if this has a name or not.

Quite simply, it's a 'bird' but catching the tama on the side of the spike instead of catching it between the spike and the cup.

(http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af15/quadraptor/image_zpsa944e643.jpeg)
(http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af15/quadraptor/image1_zps07128391.jpeg)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Kev on 31 May, 2014, 09:11:42
I've heard that trick called Frying Pan, Side Spike and I think Ken Stop.

Personally, and this is only my method, if the hole is touching the spike as it would be for Slip On Stick, then I call it Side Spike.

If the tama is just balanced as you've shown but the position of the hole isn't relevant then I call it Frying Pan.

Like I say this is only my view but its handy for talking about tricks clearly.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: quadraptor on 31 May, 2014, 16:29:45
Awesome!  I'm glad there's a name for it so I can at least know what to call it.  Makes me laugh it's called 'frying pan', it sure does look like a frying pan with an egg or something.

Thanks a bunch!

Edit -

I actually have another one.  Any idea if there's a name for...

(http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af15/quadraptor/photo_zps04676dae.jpg)

Holding the ken by the spike (like you would doing the candlestick) and catching the tama either in the big cup or little cup?
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: the milky oolong on 02 June, 2014, 19:40:43
You'd have to check with [user]the Gods[/user] but I think it'd just be referred to as (Candle Grip)Small Cup/Big Cup. Try to land 'Around the World' from that grip, including the switch to Spike - a fun challenge for you, [user]quadraptor[/user]!
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: xKouki on 06 June, 2014, 05:30:13
Anyone know this trick?

http://www.tubechop.com/watch/2980929 (http://www.tubechop.com/watch/2980929)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: BKA on 06 June, 2014, 08:02:16
Aeroplane>Juggle to Base cup.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Sqveel on 03 July, 2014, 16:30:11
*please bear with my terrible terminology here. I'm still  a noob*

Is there a name for the type of "launch" i've been doing today? starting with the ken and tama in opposite hands held horizontally at full string length, then drop the tama and let it swing the full 180 degrees a few times before swinging it round the "full circle" and landing on wherever you want (i've been hitting small cup so i can continue onto the small-bass-big moshi kami style thing i've been loving recently.)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: BKA on 03 July, 2014, 16:33:25
Your holding on to the ken the whole time? Then that's a Loop... [Small Cup].
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Sqveel on 03 July, 2014, 16:43:56
yeah i am, all the times i let go of both completely for a moment it ends in disaster. and thanks :)
Title: how you call , this trick ?
Post by: panagiotis bastas on 15 July, 2014, 15:42:34
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npstnkay21Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npstnkay21Q)
Title: Re: how you call , this trick ?
Post by: BKA on 15 July, 2014, 15:51:42
Boarder's Balance>Double Somersault>In.

Also, please note, there is a "What's that trick called?" thread (http://www.kendama.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,97.0.html), just for these questions.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: panagiotis bastas on 15 July, 2014, 16:04:21
thanks administrator.
i hope not to do something wrong?   :(
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: BKA on 15 July, 2014, 16:29:35
No problem, but it's just "tidier" to always have these questions in one place.
So people can read through the whole thread to
a) see if the question has already been asked
b) maybe learn some other trick names they didn't know.

:D
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: mackdama on 19 July, 2014, 08:22:06
What is it called when you go from big cup and spin the ken in a 360 long ways then catch it big up again? Sort of like a kick flip with a skate board. Sorry if this has been asked already.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: panagiotis bastas on 19 July, 2014, 09:21:54
big cup-whirlwind-big cup if i get it rigth. :P
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Sqveel on 25 July, 2014, 13:29:15
What's the name of the balance before you spike it on slip-on-stick? Catching it resting on the spike "top side" of the cross piece is my favourite place to land it but I have no idea what it's called.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: the milky oolong on 25 July, 2014, 15:04:15
Think you mean this. It has been answered already a few times. Frying Pan is the given name for it.

So...I don't know if there's a name for this trick or not, thought I'd just ask and see if anyone had a clue.  It's a beginner trick but does take a few tries to balance it right.  I just took a couple of pictures because I honestly have no idea if this has a name or not.

Quite simply, it's a 'bird' but catching the tama on the side of the spike instead of catching it between the spike and the cup.

(http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af15/quadraptor/image_zpsa944e643.jpeg)
(http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af15/quadraptor/image1_zps07128391.jpeg)
Title: what is that trick called
Post by: The Earth Turner on 14 August, 2014, 16:49:34
What is that trick called when the string gets raped around the ken and lands on the bottom cup and stays their
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: axel.aas.12 on 16 August, 2014, 16:00:04
*wrapped
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: BenPycroft24 on 26 August, 2014, 11:59:27
I've been wondering about a trick for a while now.  I've seen people do this during a hand roll. They spin the ken and tama around their finger. It's not a finger roll. I can't find the name for it. Really want to learn this trick though, kind of annoying. Any help would be great.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: The Void on 26 August, 2014, 12:21:58
@Ben: got a video link?
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: azleonhart on 27 August, 2014, 06:00:08
Good day, gents.

I'm trying to:
that. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtxY6y06G6I&list=UUdyaDFkhGJ9k_gfWEH654Mg#t=208)
a. Figure out what the trick is that?
At 3:28, Turner does a Stuntplane, and the rest is history. Iji also does this in (albeit, with more flair) his Instagram post some days ago. (http://instagram.com/p/sCuyiHhhAq/)

b. Learn it. I like the way the trick looks, and how it fits with what i enjoy tricking. If anyone has mastered this and could provide a video tutorial, i would hugely appreciate it.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: The Void on 27 August, 2014, 07:03:37
I'd call it a penguin throw to aeroplane.
I currently have a cat sat on me, but I would start with seeing how far you can get while thinking about giving height with both the knees and the hand. Watch the body movement carefully....
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: azleonhart on 27 August, 2014, 07:11:04
@Void,

I have been trying for some time now (1 month or so), and i'm still stuck on "penguin throwing" the ken from the back.
I'm able to release it, but not gain enough height and rotation. Any attempts to increase height will somewhat get the ken stuck.

Currently doing my best to figure out how to push out the ken.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Trace3k on 08 November, 2014, 05:59:38
What is the trick called that Jake Wiens does at 1:23 of this video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6BY3ifY6pM&index=1&list=FLThUM_zCS79qurKWx6NlZHg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6BY3ifY6pM&index=1&list=FLThUM_zCS79qurKWx6NlZHg)

Thanks.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: The Void on 08 November, 2014, 11:57:18
Don't know about the whole sequence, but there are some Half Centrifuges in there.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Trace3k on 08 November, 2014, 20:45:44
Half centrifuge, that's what I was looking for. Yesterday I landed a hc to big cup, hc to big cup, hc to base cup. I don't know how to end it though, I wanted to do more.

Thanks for your help. :)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: The Void on 08 November, 2014, 20:58:34
Reverse 'em, or double 'em. Check out Adv #20 here: http://www.kendama.co.uk/EKO2013.html (http://www.kendama.co.uk/EKO2013.html)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Trace3k on 08 November, 2014, 21:31:31
Thanks, I'll try that. Was that Buck 65 playing? Love that guy. I want to use Wicked and Weird for my first edit.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: The Void on 08 November, 2014, 21:43:05
Sure was a little JC on the ol' tape deck...
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Trace3k on 08 November, 2014, 21:52:25
He's Canadian, like me.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: shalafi on 10 November, 2014, 10:30:17
As a lack of better naming, I am calling this pinwheeled suns.

Kendama pinwheel suns (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMB-q9hrIl0#ws)

Note that there is no pinch to the string, the string makes one turn around the index and gets unwrapped in the internal "sun".

I called it "sun" because of the similar looking trick of Diabolo.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: BKA on 10 November, 2014, 11:36:42
You don't do the actual Swirl, so it's not a Swirl.

Let's break down the first combi:

Swing... into a Finger Wrap...
...into Inside Pinwheel
...into Stopover

So,...
"Finger Wrap Inside Pinwheel Stopover"

We haven't yet used "Suns" in kendama, and in this case we don't need a new term, as we already have Pinwheel, which covers it precisely in this case.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: shalafi on 10 November, 2014, 13:18:52
I mentioned the wrap as being the same of the swirl entry, not that I was doing a swirl (but you can connect one afterwards)

As I see it, there are 2 "circles" the wrap, and then the internal pinwheel, which, to me, look like the wrap and the unwrap. And then you can do continuously. The stopover was optional, just an exit to switch direction.

Also, you can do this same trick without the wrap/unwrap by pinching the string instead. They are almost the same visually but quite different in execution.

Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: MisterJumpshoe on 09 December, 2014, 07:10:51
I've just realised I don't know what it's called when you pull up and land the tama on the side of one of the cups.  I know it's a wing walker if you transfer from one to the other, but what's the single called?  A wing?
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: BKA on 09 December, 2014, 08:16:31
You're getting confused with Wingrunner (the transfer version). Wingwalker it is.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: The Void on 02 January, 2015, 13:12:45
Talin wasn't sure of this trick's name:
(http://photos-d.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/10903728_1531764977098403_263371107_n.jpg)
Instagram link! (http://instagram.com/p/xU2NEOlR2G/) (<--Instavid)
I was going to say it's a Turnover (See "Spike! (http://kendama.co.uk/books.html)"), but then I realised he's doing a variation. His is:
Turn, Release (throw, if you like), Catch
as opposed to the 'standard'
Release (throw), Catch & Turn (in one move).

So... "Talin Turnover"?
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: the milky oolong on 03 January, 2015, 14:24:05
Really nice trick, surely you can go into loads of variants from there. Thinking it would be amazing with a cheeky JS at the top.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: kayadama on 11 April, 2015, 10:59:14
I dont really know many trick names right now but i was curious what this is called? The two things after the pull up kenflip spike.



Cheers
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: The Void on 11 April, 2015, 11:04:05
I suppose it's a "part curl"? Not really sure, as I can't see if you're doing a grip change or not.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: talincrow on 19 April, 2015, 18:17:20
Was trying to look through this thread and couldnt find it. What is the official name of the trick where you hold the tama-> airplane but instead of spiking it you land the ken on top of the hole balancing it? Someone called it a "bellyflop" but I know there's a different name for it.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Dimensions on 19 April, 2015, 18:50:21
You mean this?:
Dead body - record breaker - juggling videos hosted @ Juggling.tv (http://juggling.tv/14550#id=http://juggling.tv/nuevo/econfig.php?key=8e574153a10db9a4db79)

That is called Dead Body
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: shalafi on 19 April, 2015, 18:50:32
I think that's dead body. It was on the EKO list past year
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: talincrow on 20 April, 2015, 03:48:11
Yes Dimensions and shalafi! That's what I was looking for!
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: The Void on 01 October, 2015, 12:20:17
And i'm going to leave this here for everyone to watch, i'm beyobd hyped that i finally did it! Can you help me name this @thevoid ?


Hey, @Cliffdama , pretty damn neat trick!
Great trick!

Personally I'd call it Aeroplane > Gear Change > 3 Turn Reverse Aeroplane.

#AeroGearChangeTripReverseAero
Wouldn't it be Reverse Gear, @Kev? :)

Well, Snapback was suggested for the immediate-pull-back-to-spike trick, but it seems that has become known as Yank[1]. That trick involved tugging on the string to reverse the direction of the ball, so I think your trick would be...

1-Turn Yank Reverse 3-Turn Aeroplane

It's debatable whether "Reverse" is needed in there, but I suppose it should be. Theoretically, you could Yank to re-spin in the same direction, right? (I'm pretty sure someone[2] has done something like that...)

Nice work.
 1. Because polysyllabics bad?!
 2. @Dimensions ?
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Kev on 01 October, 2015, 12:25:04
Wouldn't it be Reverse Gear, @Kev? :)

Ha! Could be. Thing is, all the kendamas I own only have 2 gears - forwards and backwards so Gear Change = Direction change for me  ;)


On a serious note, I think trick names should:

1) Give total clarity of what the trick actually is.
2) In as few words as possible.
3) Sound good.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: The Void on 01 October, 2015, 12:37:29
Ideally, yes. I don't think 1 & 2 are often mutually compatible though! :)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Kev on 01 October, 2015, 12:40:40
Absolutely. And 3) is a matter of opinion!

Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Dimensions on 01 October, 2015, 15:45:04
I know @CDFraser9 did one here (1:26)
http://youtu.be/Ynrd5jf3h_c (http://youtu.be/Ynrd5jf3h_c)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Cliffdama on 01 October, 2015, 21:42:59
Wow thats some cool stuff and that name sounds right to me! I was playing with it a bit more and found out i can do another set of turns al from that first trow. This is cool to do! ^^
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: The Void on 01 October, 2015, 23:31:00
Wow thats some cool stuff and that name sounds right to me! I was playing with it a bit more and found out i can do another set of turns al from that first trow. This is cool to do! ^^
You mean something like
1-Turn Yank 1-Turn Yank 2-Turn Aeroplane
...?
That'd be neat!
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Cliffdama on 02 October, 2015, 06:06:46
Yes thats what i mean. The second yank isn't actually that hard. But the ken spins so hard after that one so its almost impossible to spike. I missed the spike on 1turn-3turn-2turn :(.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: BKA on 13 February, 2016, 13:45:23
Speaking of wind, is there a kendama trick call windmill?
@jakub.zahumensky
There are at least two called that. Search the forum for "windmill" for one that got the name via yo-yo. Or there is Kazaguruma (translates as "Windmill"), which in...
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWPmI2LvI9I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWPmI2LvI9I)
...is (number 9) Gunslinger Base Cup > Gunslinger Base Cup > Gunslinger Spike.
Although we've got a feeling that trick may also have had another name. And (hazy memory?)... maybe "kazaguruma" has also been used for a different trick too?
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: jakub.zahumensky on 13 February, 2016, 13:59:29
Cool, thanks :) I think I'll take the @GbH trick at 0:40 as windmill - looks like one for sure. The gunslinger basecup combo is a gunslinger base combo for me :)
Just a little note, however, you have a small typo in your Japanese - it's kazaguruma, not kazagaruma ;)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: BKA on 13 February, 2016, 14:05:04
@jakub.zahumensky GbH's trick is called "propellor" - name comes from the almost identical Devil Stick trick.
Thanks for the correction - corrected.
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: BKA on 13 February, 2016, 14:07:12
And, by that logic Around The World is "a cup combo" , etc etc. :)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: jakub.zahumensky on 13 February, 2016, 14:41:21
@jakub.zahumensky GbH's trick is called "propellor" - name comes from the almost identical Devil Stick trick.
Thanks for the correction - corrected.

To me it looks like the yoyo windmill extended indefinitely. Also, looking at the windmill wheel go round and round and round, to me it fits very well. The gunslinger combo, well, not so much. Propeller seems pretty fitting, too, on the other hand. With that said, I think it's time to make a windmill trick :D

Around the world is by all means a cup and spike combo ;) It's just an established combo that has a name of its own, so we call it a "trick", while it, in fact, is a combo. Herewith I rest my case :D
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: BKA on 13 February, 2016, 14:44:32
You really think it's a good idea to name a new trick Windmill, when there are already two tricks called that? We don't.
Kendama nomenclature is confusing enough already....

The Kazaguruma trick has been established for some time. In 2011, Cima told us it was considered "one of the hardest tricks" among Japanese players.

BKA case rested. :)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: jakub.zahumensky on 14 February, 2016, 16:07:34
ok, ok, if I think of something that would be fitting the name "windmill", I'll simply name it "flower in the breeze" to avoid any confusion ;)
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: BKA on 16 May, 2016, 00:38:23

@fiddletriks Front Mooncircle Fasthand 1-Turn Lighthouse.

Nice.
Title: What is this trick called?
Post by: IsyPhoenix on 31 August, 2016, 09:59:35
Cheers.

I've recently seen a very fabulous trick in a YouTube video. Does anyone know how it's called and if there are tutorials?

Much thanks!
http://imgur.com/F78yguI

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Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: The Void on 31 August, 2016, 11:53:05
@IsyPhoenix Hi, welcome to the forum.
That's "Sarado Eiffel Tower". It was in one of the BKA tricklists. I'll go and find it....
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: The Void on 31 August, 2016, 11:58:50
Here you go, @IsyPhoenix , it's number 14 in...
http://juggling.tv/14084
from the EKO 2014 Pro division. http://kendama.co.uk/EKO2014.html
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: IsyPhoenix on 04 September, 2016, 12:33:23
@IsyPhoenix Hi, welcome to the forum.
That's "Sarado Eiffel Tower". It was in one of the BKA tricklists. I'll go and find it....

Thank you a lot. The Eiffel Tower was actually pretty easy for a beginner like me. ^^

Mister Void, how long have you been playing Kendama? That's a sick skill level. ^^
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: The Void on 04 September, 2016, 12:40:41
Thanks @IsyPhoenix , I've been playing for 10 years. (Always remember that videos are edited though... you don't see the misses! ;) )

Image embedding: http://kendama.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1217.0.html

Cheers!
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Lucytfc on 13 February, 2019, 07:38:43
Hello there, I hope this is the right way to ask a question, it's been a very long time since i used a forum ah ah

These days i've been seeing a trick a lot and I'd like to know if there's a creator and what's the name of the trick.

I've done it some time ago while fooling around, here's a variation to it cause i can't find the first one i've posted on my profile.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BtS4lM-h8Kj/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BtS4lM-h8Kj/)

Thank you in advance
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: The Void on 13 February, 2019, 12:37:04
Hi @Lucytfc , Welcome to the forum!
That seems like a perfectly reasonable way to ask a question, and in the right place too. :-)

The trick starts with...
Spacewalk Trapeze...
(Which is different to "Spacewalk > Trapeze", since "Spacewalk" on its own includes the Aeroplane catch.)
(Oh, and while I'm at it "Trapeze" is different to "Trapeze Acrobats", even though some people lazily abbreviate the latter to the former. But that's another story!)
...and then you do some sort of string transfer, which I can't quite see, or work out. Pretty neat, since it means that the cradle stays in place during the....
...oh, wait, I've just worked out what you're doing!
You're dropping the string loop over the top of the ball, across the hole, right? Then you do a Half Tumble, and a Stab > Fast Hand Grip Change.

There is a trick created by Mr Maruishi, former head of the JKA, (which I named as Triangle Drop in my book Knees), which ends with the ball in the same string cradle that you Tumble into. But your entire trick is a combo incorporating the Triangle Cradle. I like it!

So the elements of your combo are...
Spacewalk Trapeze > Loop Transfer > Half Tumble Triangle Cradle > Stab Fasthands
If you want to give a name to the whole combo, then feel free.

Oh, and I love your happy laugh at the end of the trick, too.
Cheers!
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: Lucytfc on 13 February, 2019, 13:08:21
Hi @Lucytfc , Welcome to the forum!
That seems like a perfectly reasonable way to ask a question, and in the right place too. :-)

The trick starts with...
Spacewalk Trapeze...
(Which is different to "Spacewalk > Trapeze", since "Spacewalk" on its own includes the Aeroplane catch.)
(Oh, and while I'm at it "Trapeze" is different to "Trapeze Acrobats", even though some people lazily abbreviate the latter to the former. But that's another story!)
...and then you do some sort of string transfer, which I can't quite see, or work out. Pretty neat, since it means that the cradle stays in place during the....
...oh, wait, I've just worked out what you're doing!
You're dropping the string loop over the top of the ball, across the hole, right? Then you do a Half Tumble, and a Stab > Fast Hand Grip Change.

There is a trick created by Mr Maruishi, former head of the JKA, (which I named as Triangle Drop in my book Knees), which ends with the ball in the same string cradle that you Tumble into. But your entire trick is a combo incorporating the Triangle Cradle. I like it!

So the elements of your combo are...
Spacewalk Trapeze > Loop Transfer > Half Tumble Triangle Cradle > Stab Fasthands
If you want to give a name to the whole combo, then feel free.

Oh, and I love your happy laugh at the end of the trick, too.
Cheers!

That's a fantastic explanation of what i've did there! I forgot to mention that i was looking for the name for the last trick, the one you've calle Half Tumble Triangle Cradle! But this was way more satisfying :)

I was just curios cause I like drawing some stuff and the name helps me a lot!

Glad i can share some joy on my clips! Thanks a lot for the response :D
Cheers!
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: The Void on 13 February, 2019, 13:16:16
😃👍
Title: Re: What's that trick called...
Post by: The Void on 13 February, 2019, 21:10:29
@Lucytfc Skip to 1:49 in the video in this thread: https://kendama.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1736.0 to see Mr Maruishi's original.
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